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Meeting of the Parliament 16 December 2025 [Draft]

16 Dec 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

In the time that I have served on the Parliament’s Education, Children and Young People Committee, there has been a recurring theme that teachers, parents and carers, trade unions, educationalists and, indeed, most MSPs who serve on the committee will recognise, which is that, after the pandemic, our young people continue to face major challenges.

In many cases, the decisions that were taken during the lockdown had and continue to have negative impacts on our young people and the wider school environment, and the bill presents a positive opportunity to try to reset how we value young people across Scotland and to deliver a better offering for them, and for Parliament to send a message that we want to see real investment in the development of our young people now and in the future.

As has been said, no one doubts that outdoor education is one of the most rewarding experiences that a young person can have during their school career. I pay tribute to those who have joined us in the public gallery today for the dedication that they bring—they have dedicated their careers, in fact—to outdoor education and to our young people.

In many cases, as I have seen for myself, outdoor education is truly game changing. It delivers benefits in school and learning long after pupils and teachers have returned to the classroom, and through the joy that young people experience from it. Residential trips help to build confidence, self-reliance, resilience and leadership skills, and they teach the values of friendship, teamwork and a lifelong connection to our great outdoors, which is fantastic.

In an age when there is growing concern about young people’s physical and mental wellbeing, the benefits of residential outdoor education cannot be overstated or underestimated. It is worth reflecting that Scotland was one of the first countries in the world to formalise outdoor education. The last significant piece of legislation around outdoor education was the Education Act 1944, known as the Butler act. In the 1960s and 1970s, outdoor education, often formalised as physical outdoor activities and based on residential experiences, was extensively developed in many parts of Scotland.

In more recent times, however, the value of outdoor education has, sadly, not been given the weight that it deserves. We have not focused on the outcomes that we need it to achieve for our young people, and many of our authorities are disinvesting in their outdoor education offerings and facilities. We know that, today, many children are disconnected from their learning environment and from our wonderful natural environment. I believe that Liz Smith’s Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill will allow for a reset to enable us, once again, to recognise nationally the importance of residential outdoor education.

As I stated in the stage 1 debate, as an Edinburgh MSP, I know how incredibly lucky young people, and their parents and carers, are to be able to still access the residential outdoor education offering that they really enjoy and value. When I speak to young people in the capital, many of them see it as a rite of passage, as City of Edinburgh Council has always valued outdoor education.

Finally, I put on record a tribute to my friend and colleague, Liz Smith, for the power of work that she and her parliamentary office and team, along with the Parliament’s non-Government bills unit, have put into the bill, and for her lifelong advocacy—as a teacher and as a member of this Parliament—of the benefits of outdoor education for our young people. As we have heard today, Liz Smith is widely respected by members across the chamber and beyond.

However, the bill itself is about what is best for our young people in the post-Covid era, when so many indicators tell us that young people are facing more challenges than ever before. I sincerely hope that, in future years, all young people in Scotland will be able to take part in the life-changing experiences that residential outdoor education delivers. As Martin Whitfield said, that will be a remarkable legacy for Liz Smith, and she should rightly be incredibly proud of the work that she has done on the bill. However, it will also be for us as a country, and for Parliament, to send out the message to our young people, to parents and carers and to teachers across Scotland that we value them and want to invest in them. I support the motion in Liz Smith’s name.

17:48  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-20138, in the name of Liz Smith, on the Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill at stage ...
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
Throughout all my 16 years as a secondary schoolteacher and my subsequent two decades as a parliamentarian, I have been firmly of the view that outdoor educa...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (Ind) Ind
The Government will not have to pay the full amount, but I have read the supplementary financial memorandum and it does not give a figure for what the Govern...
Liz Smith Con
The costs have not changed since the original discussion of that issue. However, as John Mason knows, at stage 2 we added to the bill a period for its staged...
The Minister for Children, Young People and The Promise (Natalie Don-Innes) SNP
Many people will have been privileged, in their youth, to have enjoyed time away from home at a residential outdoor education facility, often in spectacular ...
John Mason Ind
I want to ask the minister the same question that I asked Liz Smith. The minister talked about cost. Does she have any idea what the Government might have to...
Natalie Don-Innes SNP
Throughout the bill process, I have been clear about the need to gather data to enable us to have a true understanding of the full costs associated with it. ...
Paul O’Kane (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I recognise what the minister says about the strength of engagement, but does she recognise that everyone across the chamber will have had communication, eve...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I can give you the time back for taking that intervention, minister.
Natalie Don-Innes SNP
I very much recognise those concerns, which I have laid out very clearly to members in the chamber and to committee several times. In fact, I engaged directl...
Douglas Ross (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I have the easiest job in the Parliament tonight, which is to open this debate on behalf of the Scottish Conservatives, because my Scottish Conservative coll...
Martin Whitfield (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
As we conclude this debate, I do not want to dwell on the journey that the bill has gone through and mention things such as financial memorandums; I want to ...
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
I follow Martin Whitfield in paying tribute to Liz Smith. At the risk of potentially giving members of my party a bit of buyer’s remorse in relation to their...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
I thank Ross Greer for reminding me how old I am. He was in primary 7 in 2006, which was just yesterday for me. I also thank all the staff in the Parliament...
Natalie Don-Innes SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Willie Rennie LD
On cue, minister.
Natalie Don-Innes SNP
We spoke at length at committee about the number of fantastic outdoor educational opportunities—fair enough; they are not all residential—that many of our sc...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I can give you the time back for that intervention, Mr Rennie.
Willie Rennie LD
I recognise that the minister tried to convince me that progress was made, but whether progress was actually made is another matter. In any case, the working...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
We now move to the open debate. 17:23
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
I, too, congratulate Liz Smith. I know the work that is needed for a member’s bill. It involves testing the member’s commitment and dealing with obstacles th...
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I am delighted to stand in support of my colleague and friend Liz Smith’s Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill. Sometimes, we lose sight ...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (Ind) Ind
I hate to be the wet blanket at the party; however, I will start by thanking Liz Smith very much for introducing the bill. I agree with virtually everything ...
Brian Whittle Con
Does John Mason agree that, in addition, that financial memorandum does not include spend to save over a long period of time and that, if we had started 10 y...
John Mason Ind
I agree that there is money to save, but it raises the whole question about preventative spend. We need to spend £1 today, but where is that £1 going to come...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
We move to closing speeches. I call Ross Greer. 17:35
Ross Greer Green
In my opening speech, I mentioned the value of learning about our natural environment in our natural environment and the knowledge and skills that are accumu...
The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
Thank you. I call Paul O’Kane. 17:39
Paul O’Kane (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I am pleased to close the debate on behalf of Scottish Labour. I recognise that I have come somewhat late to the process at stage 3, but I have been followin...
Miles Briggs (Lothian) (Con) Con
In the time that I have served on the Parliament’s Education, Children and Young People Committee, there has been a recurring theme that teachers, parents an...