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Meeting of the Parliament 16 December 2025 [Draft]

16 Dec 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

I am delighted to stand in support of my colleague and friend Liz Smith’s Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill.

Sometimes, we lose sight of what we mean by “education” and what we are trying to achieve through it. It is too easy for us in Parliament to get wrapped up in exam results. Increasingly, we seem to be less involved in teaching and learning and, increasingly, we push testing. Standardised testing is important, of course, but it should not be the dominant culture in education. Testing should be a diagnostic and a help. Tests are there to support learning, not to obstruct it.

The role of a teacher is to facilitate learning, and our teachers are experts in that—it is the fire that compelled them down the educator pathway. However, I fear that we have been forcing our teachers to follow a set path that squeezes the alternative routes to learning and is increasingly devoid of creativity, ensuring an approach of compliance and standardisation. What is a standard child? Everybody learns in a different way. The art of teaching—and it is an art—is in developing different learning approaches that include all pupils.

Teachers are brilliant, if given the tools and the opportunity, due to their ability to excite the power of imagination and curiosity—the power of what could be—and to engender creativity. We all know that feeling, at least until society gets the opportunity to stick its oar in and stifle blue-sky thinking and imagination, talking about what we cannot do instead of what is possible.

To me, the epitome of what my friend and colleague Liz Smith’s outdoor education bill is about is that it gives every pupil the opportunity of an alternative learning experience, because what initially sparks the fire in them will be different for every pupil. Teachers know how to teach. Build a raft or paddle a canoe—what a fantastic way to introduce physics and the Archimedes’ principle. How about flying down a zipline to introduce and discuss gravity? While pushing the creative element and taking a leap of faith, pupils approach new challenges that they might never have even considered but now have to solve. Give pupils an obstacle to overcome, let them work together to find the solution as a team and give them that lifelong, shared experience that I have often spoken about. I would call that, in sporting parlance, deductive coaching.

It is ever more apparent that the elements of our education system that support expression—the alternative routes to achievement and the things that help to build resilience, confidence and a drive to aspire—are being squeezed out of our education system. Sport, art, music, drama and outdoor education create an alternative learning environment that will allow some pupils to thrive and flourish in a way that they might struggle to achieve in a traditional classroom. Those lessons outside the classroom are so important to delivering and achieving in the classroom.

It is time to stop forcing our young people down an ever narrowing education tunnel that fits a decreasing number of pupils. It is time to give back to our educators the full suite of tools for teaching, to allow them to deliver all that they can and are more than willing to deliver. In our education system, we are trying to tackle poor physical and mental health, poor attainment and poor behaviour. A narrow, compliant learning experience, devoid of a space for creative thinking and of a place to try, fail and try again, is a learning environment in which many pupils will struggle to be the best that they can be. Moreover, the chances of full pupil engagement are unlikely.

Outdoor education is an adventure and, goodness me, our young people need some adventure. It is a learning environment in which they do not even realise that they are learning. It is a world of possibilities. It is an opportunity that all our pupils deserve. I urge members to support Liz Smith’s bill.

17:30  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-20138, in the name of Liz Smith, on the Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill at stage ...
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
Throughout all my 16 years as a secondary schoolteacher and my subsequent two decades as a parliamentarian, I have been firmly of the view that outdoor educa...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (Ind) Ind
The Government will not have to pay the full amount, but I have read the supplementary financial memorandum and it does not give a figure for what the Govern...
Liz Smith Con
The costs have not changed since the original discussion of that issue. However, as John Mason knows, at stage 2 we added to the bill a period for its staged...
The Minister for Children, Young People and The Promise (Natalie Don-Innes) SNP
Many people will have been privileged, in their youth, to have enjoyed time away from home at a residential outdoor education facility, often in spectacular ...
John Mason Ind
I want to ask the minister the same question that I asked Liz Smith. The minister talked about cost. Does she have any idea what the Government might have to...
Natalie Don-Innes SNP
Throughout the bill process, I have been clear about the need to gather data to enable us to have a true understanding of the full costs associated with it. ...
Paul O’Kane (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I recognise what the minister says about the strength of engagement, but does she recognise that everyone across the chamber will have had communication, eve...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I can give you the time back for taking that intervention, minister.
Natalie Don-Innes SNP
I very much recognise those concerns, which I have laid out very clearly to members in the chamber and to committee several times. In fact, I engaged directl...
Douglas Ross (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I have the easiest job in the Parliament tonight, which is to open this debate on behalf of the Scottish Conservatives, because my Scottish Conservative coll...
Martin Whitfield (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
As we conclude this debate, I do not want to dwell on the journey that the bill has gone through and mention things such as financial memorandums; I want to ...
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
I follow Martin Whitfield in paying tribute to Liz Smith. At the risk of potentially giving members of my party a bit of buyer’s remorse in relation to their...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
I thank Ross Greer for reminding me how old I am. He was in primary 7 in 2006, which was just yesterday for me. I also thank all the staff in the Parliament...
Natalie Don-Innes SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Willie Rennie LD
On cue, minister.
Natalie Don-Innes SNP
We spoke at length at committee about the number of fantastic outdoor educational opportunities—fair enough; they are not all residential—that many of our sc...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I can give you the time back for that intervention, Mr Rennie.
Willie Rennie LD
I recognise that the minister tried to convince me that progress was made, but whether progress was actually made is another matter. In any case, the working...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
We now move to the open debate. 17:23
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
I, too, congratulate Liz Smith. I know the work that is needed for a member’s bill. It involves testing the member’s commitment and dealing with obstacles th...
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I am delighted to stand in support of my colleague and friend Liz Smith’s Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill. Sometimes, we lose sight ...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (Ind) Ind
I hate to be the wet blanket at the party; however, I will start by thanking Liz Smith very much for introducing the bill. I agree with virtually everything ...
Brian Whittle Con
Does John Mason agree that, in addition, that financial memorandum does not include spend to save over a long period of time and that, if we had started 10 y...
John Mason Ind
I agree that there is money to save, but it raises the whole question about preventative spend. We need to spend £1 today, but where is that £1 going to come...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
We move to closing speeches. I call Ross Greer. 17:35
Ross Greer Green
In my opening speech, I mentioned the value of learning about our natural environment in our natural environment and the knowledge and skills that are accumu...
The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
Thank you. I call Paul O’Kane. 17:39
Paul O’Kane (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I am pleased to close the debate on behalf of Scottish Labour. I recognise that I have come somewhat late to the process at stage 3, but I have been followin...
Miles Briggs (Lothian) (Con) Con
In the time that I have served on the Parliament’s Education, Children and Young People Committee, there has been a recurring theme that teachers, parents an...