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Meeting of the Parliament 16 December 2025 [Draft]

16 Dec 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Dog Theft (Scotland) Bill

For me, it is about a principle—about whether the impact on the victim is a matter of record. I think that it should be and it should be taken into account.

Let me turn to something else that has been dropped, and that is the annual reporting on the enforcement of the act. The Minister for Victims and Community Safety told Parliament at stage 1 that providing an annual report on the enforcement of the act “makes it operationally impossible”. I do not accept this, and neither should Parliament. Accountability is important for the functioning of our democracy, and the minister appears before Parliament as a prisoner of operational matters far too often, whether it relates to cuts to the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service; the continued defiance of laws prohibiting fireworks and pyrotechnics use and the absence of a licensing system for that, which, in my personal experience, is also an animal welfare and animal cruelty issue; or this legislation today on dog theft—each one an important area of policy that the minister has direct responsibility for, and I would ask her to reflect on that.

On the other hand, I do accept the argument that post-legislative scrutiny is the prerogative of this Parliament and not of the Government, but that, in turn, requires good data—good data collection and transparency—so that future members of Parliament are able to follow the evidence. As a matter of record, that is something that the Government and its agencies are not always very good at providing. We need action in this area, because people and Parliament deserve more than words of admonishment by the Auditor General for Scotland or criticism by the Public Audit Committee. People deserve action and a wholesale change in political culture.

Where there has been good understanding and where good progress has been made is on the need to raise awareness of the new offence, because our purpose in voting for the legislation is for it to act as a deterrent. While Maurice Golden and I differ on his custodial approach, we can agree that we need to stop dog thefts happening in the first place. We can agree that, when they do happen, we need to raise the probability of the safe return of the dog to their home.

Let me finish with the principles and the values that lie behind the legislation. Dogs are not property—they are living, sentient beings. They are not commodities—they are companions. They are not a lower form of life, but an equal form of life. Without them, for many of us, there would be a loneliness of the soul.

We will be voting for this Dog Theft (Scotland) Bill this afternoon. Many of us will be doing so not only with moral purpose and passion forged on personal experience, but with political principle as well.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-20167, in the name of Maurice Golden, on the Dog Theft (Scotland) Bill at stage 3. I invite those members...
Maurice Golden (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I am grateful to all those who have assisted with the Dog Theft (Scotland) Bill to get it to the point at which the Parliament will vote on it at decision ti...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Siobhian Brown to open the debate on behalf of the Scottish Government. 15:22
The Minister for Victims and Community Safety (Siobhian Brown) SNP
I thank Maurice Golden for his constructive engagement throughout the bill’s parliamentary journey, and I thank the non-Government bills unit for its work an...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I call Tim Eagle to open on behalf of the Scottish Conservatives. 15:26
Tim Eagle (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I do not intend to speak for very long today, but I begin by thanking Maurice Golden, whose dedication in introducing this member’s bill and steering it thro...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
I congratulate Maurice Golden on introducing the bill; it is not easy to bring a member’s bill to this stage. I thank committee staff and those working in t...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Ariane Burgess to open the debate on behalf of the Scottish Greens. 15:32
Ariane Burgess (Highlands and Islands) (Green) Green
I am grateful to Maurice Golden—and the officials who have supported him—for the work that he has put into this member’s bill, and for introducing legislatio...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We move to the open debate. 15:35
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
I am delighted to speak in this debate in support of my colleague Maurice Golden’s bill, and not only because I was the additional member in charge of the bi...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We now move to closing speeches. 15:39
Ariane Burgess Green
As we close this debate, I want to return to the human impact. When a dog is stolen, it is not just a theft. A family member is taken, routines are shattered...
Richard Leonard (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
This small but important piece of legislation is about animal rights and animal welfare, but it is also about human rights. It is about our values, our princ...
Christine Grahame SNP
Will the member give way on that point?
Richard Leonard Lab
I happen to think that it is a useful component in any legal proceedings, because it helps to inform sentencing decisions and brings to our legal system some...
Christine Grahame SNP
Will the member give way?
Richard Leonard Lab
But I understand that Government support for the bill was conditional on this being dropped, and Maurice Golden is hemmed in by those dreaded words: “politic...
Christine Grahame SNP
Will the member give way?
Richard Leonard Lab
Yeah, ok.
Christine Grahame SNP
That was a bit graceless, Mr Leonard. I am happy to be corrected, but I do not think that a victim statement influences the penalty at the end of the day. I...
Richard Leonard Lab
For me, it is about a principle—about whether the impact on the victim is a matter of record. I think that it should be and it should be taken into account. ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Jamie Halcro Johnston to close on behalf of the Scottish Conservatives. 15:49
Jamie Halcro Johnston (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I had the opportunity back in October to speak in support of the bill and in recognition of the hard work of my colleague Maurice Golden and others at stage ...
Siobhian Brown SNP
I thank all members for their contributions to the debate. As I made clear in my opening remarks, I have welcomed the constructive and helpful meetings tha...
Christine Grahame SNP
Made a request to intervene.
Siobhian Brown SNP
Can I get the time back, Presiding Officer?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
If the intervention is brief.
Christine Grahame SNP
I honestly do not know the answer to this question. As I understand it, a victim impact statement does not do anything to the sentencing at the end of the da...
Joe FitzPatrick (Dundee City West) (SNP) SNP
Leonard.