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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee 10 December 2025 [Draft]

10 Dec 2025 · S6 · Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Item of business
Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Fairlie, Jim SNP Perthshire South and Kinross-shire Watch on SPTV

I will get straight into it. We have a lot to get through, so I will be as brief as I possibly can be.

On amendments 321 and 252, I fundamentally disagree with the member’s intentions to prevent the repeal of the venison dealer licence in the bill. Time and again in Parliament, we have heard about how important it is to raise the profile of venison, as so eloquently done by Ms Hamilton just now and through Lauren Houston’s fine words.

If we want to raise the profile of venison, the venison dealer licence acts as a barrier to that goal. For a start, the price of a licence varies significantly across local authorities and it prevents locally sourced venison being consumed in local communities, hotels, pubs and restaurants. In addition, it makes no sense to me that we can allow other wild game such as pheasant and rabbit to be dealt with without a licence, yet we still require a costly licence for venison. It is entirely suitable for venison to follow the same protocols as other wild game, so I want to increase its availability while maintaining the high food standards that we would expect. Ultimately, the venison dealer licence is no longer fit for purpose. For those reasons, I urge members to oppose amendments 321 and 252.

Amendments 322 and 323 seek to introduce a power for Scottish ministers to repeal section 33 of the Deer (Scotland) Act 1996 by regulation rather than through primary legislation. Amendment 322 goes further and adds that conditions that require ministers to be satisfied that alternative arrangements for data collection are in place and effective before repealing section 33. I understand that the amendments stem from concerns raised by the committee about traceability and monitoring of venison and its recommendation to delay the repeal of the venison dealer licence provision until the NatureScot deer app is in place. However, it would be remiss of the committee not to remember that, when the committee met practitioners during stage 1 of the bill, the current licensing system for venison dealers was criticised as being ineffective.

It is also important to be clear that the venison dealer licence does not function as a national data collection tool. In addition, Food Standards Scotland has confirmed that traceability of wild venison can be maintained through the existing food safety and hygiene legislation, which applies to all meat and wild game. If those reservations remain, we do not need to commence the repeal of the venison dealer licence immediately, and we will work with NatureScot on the correct timing for doing that.

The venison dealer licence is outdated and acts as a barrier to increasing venison supply and supporting local communities. For those reasons, I believe that both amendments are unnecessary and that they risk delaying the removal of a system that is no longer fit for purpose. I ask members to oppose amendments 322 and 323.

Finally, amendments 75, 254 and 255 seek to make better use of venison. As I have said many times, that is a subject that I feel very strongly about. Although the amendments are well intentioned, it is critical that we look at deer management as a whole when creating action plans. During a stage 1 evidence session, Ms Grant said that it is important that we manage deer properly and do not waste the venison that is created from the cull of deer. I absolutely agree with that sentiment.

We are taking forward various strands of work on venison, including on how we can learn from the wild Jura venison project, which was referenced, where products have been distributed to schools. However, creating stand-alone plans that focus solely on venison risks overlooking the wider objectives and the need for integrated solutions. That is why I supported the creation of a national deer management plan, which we heard about during the discussion on amendments 246, which will be capable of addressing the issues that are raised by amendments 75, 254 and 255.

I invite Ms Grant and Ms Hamilton to work with me and Mr Ruskell to develop a proposal for an amendment on a national deer management plan ahead of stage 3 of the bill. I therefore ask those members not to press those amendments, and if they are pressed, I ask the committee to reject them.

In the same item of business

The Convener (Finlay Carson) Con
Good morning, and welcome to the 35th meeting of the Rural Affairs and Islands Committee in 2025. Before we begin, I ask everyone to ensure that their electr...
The Convener Con
Amendment 321, in the name of Tim Eagle, is grouped with amendments 252, 322, 323, 75, 254 and 255.
Tim Eagle (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
Good morning. To follow your suggestion, convener, I will try to be brief not only with my notes but also by not speaking very much to others’ amendments. S...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
Amendment 75 seeks to set up a venison action plan. We need to better control deer numbers, and the bill seeks to improve deer control. Better control should...
Rachael Hamilton (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con) Con
Amendment 254 would require ministers to introduce a venison action plan that sets out what action Scottish ministers will take to ensure that public bodies ...
The Convener Con
Thank you for that bit of culture—I am just glad that it did not go to a tune. Laughter. It might be a bit early for a song.
The Minister for Agriculture and Connectivity (Jim Fairlie) SNP
I will get straight into it. We have a lot to get through, so I will be as brief as I possibly can be. On amendments 321 and 252, I fundamentally disagree w...
Rachael Hamilton Con
Will the deer management plan have a specific reference to a review or action plan to address the fact that, since 1990, there is double the amount of deer? ...
Jim Fairlie SNP
I absolutely concur. As we start to develop the deer action plan, venison will be very much part of the process. I have said a number of times in this commit...
The Convener Con
I invite Tim Eagle to wind up and to press or withdraw amendment 321.
Tim Eagle Con
I have nothing more to add. I press amendment 321.
The Convener Con
The question is, that amendment 321 be agreed to. Are we agreed? Members: No.
The Convener Con
There will be a division. For Carson, Finlay (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Eagle, Tim (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Against Allan, Alasdair (Na ...
The Convener Con
The result of the division is: For 2, Against 7, Abstentions 0. Amendment 321 disagreed to. Amendment 252 not moved. Section 33 agreed to. After section ...
The Convener Con
Amendment 74, in the name of the minister, is grouped with amendment 253.
Jim Fairlie SNP
At stage 1, a range of views were expressed by stakeholders, members and the committee, especially about the long-term impact and effectiveness of the propos...
Tim Eagle Con
My amendment 253 would provide for a review to be carried out of the operation and effect of the powers in sections 13, 14, 15 and 16 after five years. I bel...
The Convener Con
As no other members wish to speak, I invite the minister to wind up.
Jim Fairlie SNP
Although amendment 253 is well intentioned, it contains a fundamental flaw. The provisions in the bill will not be commenced in unison—a staggered approach w...
The Convener Con
I suspend the meeting to allow for a changeover of ministers. 09:05 Meeting suspended. 09:07 On resuming—
The Convener Con
Amendment 11, in the name of Mercedes Villalba, is grouped with amendments 13, 78 to 88, 158 to 164, 304, 304A and 304B. Amendments 304A and 304B are direct ...
Mercedes Villalba (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Good morning. I want to start by thanking the Royal Society of Edinburgh and the Parliament’s legislation team for their support in drafting these amendments...
The Convener Con
Will the member give way?
Mercedes Villalba Lab
Sure.
The Convener Con
I wonder whether the member appreciates that deer fencing is not selective and that it is equally important for the establishment of new native woodland and ...
Mercedes Villalba Lab
I am happy to agree with the member on that point. As I have said, the amendment seeks to address the risk of displacing the problem instead of its being tac...
Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green) Green
I will speak to amendments 78 and 79 on behalf of Ariane Burgess. Amendment 78 would establish a requirement to consult with communities in relation to new ...
Tim Eagle Con
I will touch on some of Mercedes Villalba’s amendments. I am sympathetic to amendment 13, regarding urban areas, but my understanding is that, through the Sc...
The Cabinet Secretary for Rural Affairs, Land Reform and Islands (Mairi Gougeon) SNP
I will say at the outset that I agree with many of the points of principle behind quite a few of Mercedes Villalba’s amendments in this group, and I am happy...
The Convener Con
I call Mercedes Villalba to wind up and to press or withdraw amendment 11.