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Meeting of the Parliament 11 December 2025

11 Dec 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
British Sign Language (Scotland) Act 2015 Inquiry
Forbes, Kate SNP Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch Watch on SPTV

I think that I mentioned in committee that we are certainly interested in exploring that further. For me, the key is not whether I think that it is a good idea—I have seen how that model, in a slightly different guise, operates in relation to Gaelic, for example, with Bòrd na Gàidhlig—but what the community thinks. If there is widespread support from BSL users, the Government is not going to stand in the way and is not averse to the establishment of such a board. However, for us, it is critically important that we identify whether that is an approach that is of interest to the BSL community. I have tasked the relevant team of my officials with initiating that informal consultation and those conversations with BSL users. I think that I confirmed at committee that I would be keen that we build up the initial detailed work that could then be taken forward by the new Government after the election, which could implement the measure if it has widespread support.

We recognise that, to deliver on our ambition, it is important that we work together to deliver collective action to strengthen outcomes for BSL users. One point that came through the committee’s scrutiny concerned local experience and whether there is adequate monitoring and reporting of that varying level of access at a local level. That is why we have established the listed authority network, which was delivered on our behalf by the ALLIANCE. That is an example of the creation of a space in which to share good practice among listed authorities, to share resources and to identify solutions to challenges around the implementation of local BSL plans. The network will have its first meeting with listed authorities on 15 December, and I very much look forward to seeing the work that comes out of it. Of course, that complements the work of the British Deaf Association Scotland, which we fund to work with listed authorities to foster community connections and share information on how best to engage with BSL users.

Since the national plan was published, we have launched the new Contact Scotland BSL service, which will include a pilot of video remote interpreting for the first time; we have provided £375,000 to develop and launch the SignPort app, which will make booking interpreters easier; we have established the BSL justice advisory board to bring together justice sector representatives and the BSL community, which touches on a theme that was raised by a number of committee members; and we have continued to fund BSL organisations through the equality and human rights fund.

I am keen to take the committee’s report and move at pace to implement and deliver some of the recommendations that are perhaps easier to deliver than others, as well as exploring some of the other recommendations that require that element of consultation or detailed analysis work. The conversations that I have had with BSL users this year have been inspirational and have also shaped my thinking on the Scottish Government’s actions in the national plan. The BSL users I have met have reflected on their educational journeys and the improvements that could have been put in place to better support them, and they have highlighted the importance to them of various initiatives.

Someone who worked tirelessly to shape the 2015 act asked why deaf and deafblind people have to continue to always fight for their rights. That point struck me, and that is why the Scottish Government remains committed to the actions in our BSL national plan, taking on board Martin Whitfield’s call for greater momentum, working on a cross-party basis and to delivering as many of the committee’s recommendations as quickly as possible.

15:30  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-20059, in the name of Karen Adam, on behalf of the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee, ...
Karen Adam (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to open the debate on behalf of the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee on our recent report on the British Sign L...
Alasdair Allan (Na h-Eileanan an Iar) (SNP) SNP
Looking back on the legislation as someone who was involved in it at the Government end, I think that Karen Adam touches on an important point, which is the ...
Karen Adam SNP
I absolutely agree with Alasdair Allan. That has been part of the understanding that we have been trying to get across to people that BSL is not just a suppo...
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Economy and Gaelic (Kate Forbes) SNP
It is important to have this debate to reflect on the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee’s report, and to mark the 10-year anniversary of t...
Martin Whitfield (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Will the Deputy First Minister take an intervention?
Kate Forbes SNP
I would love a challenge from Martin Whitfield.
Martin Whitfield Lab
I have no challenge. Does the Deputy First Minister agree that part of the committee’s report suggests that the momentum behind BSL has been lost, particular...
Kate Forbes SNP
I certainly think that the committee’s report and its scrutiny have given BSL added impetus. To be blunt, I do not think that we can ever have enough momentu...
Tess White (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
The Deputy First Minister has said that the quality of provision differs across Scotland, so can she explain why she does not support the establishment of a ...
Kate Forbes SNP
I think that I mentioned in committee that we are certainly interested in exploring that further. For me, the key is not whether I think that it is a good id...
Pam Gosal (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I am pleased to open the debate on behalf of the Scottish Conservatives and also to speak as a member of the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Commi...
Carol Mochan (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I offer my thanks to the committee for all the important work that it carried out before publishing the report. On behalf of Scottish Labour, I welcome the r...
Martin Whitfield Lab
Is it not at those transitional periods—when children from the BSL user community are going into school and nursery for the first time, going to high school ...
Carol Mochan Lab
I thank Martin Whitfield for that intervention. I was going to make that point.
Martin Whitfield Lab
Sorry.
Carol Mochan Lab
No, it was a very welcome intervention. Many families talk about supporting their loved ones, about them becoming settled in their preschool and then needing...
Marie McNair (Clydebank and Milngavie) (SNP) SNP
I speak in today’s debate as a member of the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee. I thank the clerks for their assistance in the production ...
Miles Briggs (Lothian) (Con) Con
I welcome this debate. For me, it is a debate about post-legislative scrutiny, which we have not seen much of in the Parliament. Therefore, I welcome the fac...
Martin Whitfield Lab
Is it not becoming apparent over this parliamentary session, in particular, that there are real challenges in Scotland for our young people at transitional s...
Miles Briggs Con
I absolutely agree. Some really good frameworks have been developed, especially for care-experienced young people in our colleges and universities. I do not ...
Emma Roddick (Highlands and Islands) (SNP) SNP
I thank the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee for its work on the inquiry and the report. Some valuable points have been raised, and I loo...
Alexander Stewart (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I am pleased to contribute to this afternoon’s debate. Ten years ago, the British Sign Language (Scotland) Act 2015 became an important step towards promoti...
Carol Mochan Lab
Does the member agree that, although that obviously affects individual BSL users, parents and family members also find it stressful that their loved one does...
Alexander Stewart Con
Yes, it has a knock-on effect within the family unit, and it is vitally important that individuals are given the opportunity. If that opportunity does not ex...
Paul McLennan (East Lothian) (SNP) SNP
I am pleased to speak in the debate as a member of the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee, and I thank the committee clerks and other membe...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
We move to the closing speeches. 16:13
Martin Whitfield (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
The opportunity to speak in this debate is special because we have an opportunity to acknowledge genuine progress and the delivery of support to, and recogni...
Karen Adam SNP
Absolutely—it is incumbent on all of us to ensure that inclusion. Martin Whitfield has just mentioned the Parliament, and he spoke earlier about the interpre...
Martin Whitfield Lab
I applaud Karen Adam on that point—or actually her father. People want access to their human rights, and this is their Parliament so they should be able to a...