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Meeting of the Parliament 11 December 2025

11 Dec 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
British Sign Language (Scotland) Act 2015 Inquiry
Forbes, Kate SNP Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch Watch on SPTV

I certainly think that the committee’s report and its scrutiny have given BSL added impetus. To be blunt, I do not think that we can ever have enough momentum to carry us through, so I am happy to accept Martin Whitfield’s request for added impetus and more momentum.

There are a number of recommendations in the report that can focus our minds. As Karen Adam said, the Scottish Government has accepted the vast majority of the recommendations. The only ones that we did not accept are either because they are not for us, or because they need a bit more detailed work, but there are very few of those. None of my comments should be misrepresented, as so much work has been done, particularly in recent years.

The British Sign Language (Scotland) Act 2015 is flagship legislation that everyone should be proud of. It places a duty on the Government and on listed authorities to promote and increase the use and understanding of BSL, which is key to bringing about the change that we want to see. The BSL plans are the vehicles for that promotion. Two plans have been published in the past 10 years, sitting alongside local BSL plans produced by listed authorities. The current national BSL plan concludes in 2029. At the heart of it is a clear focus on the accessibility of public services and tackling the systemic barriers that BSL users face in their daily lives. The 10 priority themes in the plan are areas that the deaf and deafblind communities have told us are important to them—education, health, justice and culture; all the same themes that were highlighted in evidence taken by the committee. Those are wide-ranging sectors that cover all aspects of society. As I said to the committee this week, often, somebody’s experience in one part of Scotland might differ from a person’s experience in another part of Scotland, which is why local BSL plans could arguably be more important for some communities. We have been clear that our six-year plan is not static; it is not something that we write and then leave. It is an iterative process that can respond to new and emerging challenges, and we have agreed to learn from and build on the actions that are in it.

The committee’s in-depth report is excellent. It took evidence from those with lived experience and reflected on the impact that the act has had. The report rightly recognises that the act is something that empowers people, increases the visibility and use of BSL, and continues to improve access to services for BSL users. However, the report also shows us more about the continued barriers and challenges that the community faces.

There are 44 recommendations. We have assessed each recommendation against two factors. First, the extent to which it aligns with the priority areas and actions in the national plan, and, secondly, its overall deliverability, including resource and cost implications.

We have accepted, either in part or in full, 40 of the recommendations. We have agreed to consider three recommendations further because they need more detailed analysis. People agreeing to things without doing the analysis up front is the bane of my life, because it is one thing to say that one is going to do something and it is quite another to make sure that one delivers on that. It is important that we do that detailed analysis first.

There is one recommendation that we have declined, and that is because it is for the Scottish Courts and Tribunals Service and not the Scottish Government.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-20059, in the name of Karen Adam, on behalf of the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee, ...
Karen Adam (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
I welcome the opportunity to open the debate on behalf of the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee on our recent report on the British Sign L...
Alasdair Allan (Na h-Eileanan an Iar) (SNP) SNP
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Karen Adam SNP
I absolutely agree with Alasdair Allan. That has been part of the understanding that we have been trying to get across to people that BSL is not just a suppo...
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Economy and Gaelic (Kate Forbes) SNP
It is important to have this debate to reflect on the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee’s report, and to mark the 10-year anniversary of t...
Martin Whitfield (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Will the Deputy First Minister take an intervention?
Kate Forbes SNP
I would love a challenge from Martin Whitfield.
Martin Whitfield Lab
I have no challenge. Does the Deputy First Minister agree that part of the committee’s report suggests that the momentum behind BSL has been lost, particular...
Kate Forbes SNP
I certainly think that the committee’s report and its scrutiny have given BSL added impetus. To be blunt, I do not think that we can ever have enough momentu...
Tess White (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
The Deputy First Minister has said that the quality of provision differs across Scotland, so can she explain why she does not support the establishment of a ...
Kate Forbes SNP
I think that I mentioned in committee that we are certainly interested in exploring that further. For me, the key is not whether I think that it is a good id...
Pam Gosal (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I am pleased to open the debate on behalf of the Scottish Conservatives and also to speak as a member of the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Commi...
Carol Mochan (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I offer my thanks to the committee for all the important work that it carried out before publishing the report. On behalf of Scottish Labour, I welcome the r...
Martin Whitfield Lab
Is it not at those transitional periods—when children from the BSL user community are going into school and nursery for the first time, going to high school ...
Carol Mochan Lab
I thank Martin Whitfield for that intervention. I was going to make that point.
Martin Whitfield Lab
Sorry.
Carol Mochan Lab
No, it was a very welcome intervention. Many families talk about supporting their loved ones, about them becoming settled in their preschool and then needing...
Marie McNair (Clydebank and Milngavie) (SNP) SNP
I speak in today’s debate as a member of the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee. I thank the clerks for their assistance in the production ...
Miles Briggs (Lothian) (Con) Con
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Martin Whitfield Lab
Is it not becoming apparent over this parliamentary session, in particular, that there are real challenges in Scotland for our young people at transitional s...
Miles Briggs Con
I absolutely agree. Some really good frameworks have been developed, especially for care-experienced young people in our colleges and universities. I do not ...
Emma Roddick (Highlands and Islands) (SNP) SNP
I thank the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee for its work on the inquiry and the report. Some valuable points have been raised, and I loo...
Alexander Stewart (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I am pleased to contribute to this afternoon’s debate. Ten years ago, the British Sign Language (Scotland) Act 2015 became an important step towards promoti...
Carol Mochan Lab
Does the member agree that, although that obviously affects individual BSL users, parents and family members also find it stressful that their loved one does...
Alexander Stewart Con
Yes, it has a knock-on effect within the family unit, and it is vitally important that individuals are given the opportunity. If that opportunity does not ex...
Paul McLennan (East Lothian) (SNP) SNP
I am pleased to speak in the debate as a member of the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee, and I thank the committee clerks and other membe...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
We move to the closing speeches. 16:13
Martin Whitfield (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
The opportunity to speak in this debate is special because we have an opportunity to acknowledge genuine progress and the delivery of support to, and recogni...
Karen Adam SNP
Absolutely—it is incumbent on all of us to ensure that inclusion. Martin Whitfield has just mentioned the Parliament, and he spoke earlier about the interpre...
Martin Whitfield Lab
I applaud Karen Adam on that point—or actually her father. People want access to their human rights, and this is their Parliament so they should be able to a...