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Meeting of the Parliament 09 December 2025

09 Dec 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
E-bikes and E-scooters (Antisocial Use)
Ross, Douglas Con Highlands and Islands Watch on SPTV

Okay—that is fine.

I was speaking about e-scooters. If Christine Grahame was speaking about e-bikes, I apologise.

However, going back to my original point, I do not believe that simply requiring people to get licences and regulating their vehicles in some way will solve the problems. I believe that the people who will do things properly are the ones who buy e-bikes and e-scooters for the right reason, which is not to use them on the road. They will not be the ones who are causing the problems, and the people who are causing them will simply ignore that guidance.

Consequently, we need to get to the bottom of the policing issue, which I want to focus on. I would be interested to know whether the minister is aware of how often Police Scotland pursues such vehicles. Michael Marra mentioned that damage was done following a police pursuit. My understanding is that such pursuits are relatively rare. To go back to Liam Kerr’s point, the police are worried about pursuing such vehicles, because if the offenders, who are on illegal vehicles—whether they be scooters or e-bikes—fall off and are injured, the police are potentially liable, as they entered into a pursuit. I would be interested to know what discussions the minister has had with Police Scotland about what police officers can do to pursue such vehicles and those who use them.

I also said that this is quite a timely debate. If people leave their Christmas shopping as late as I have, they will still be going about it. I believe that, when some parents are buying these e-scooters and e-bikes, they are unaware that they are illegal. Christine Grahame wants more legislation, but I just want people to understand the legislation that is in place at the moment and that these vehicles are not suitable as gifts, because of all the problems that we have discussed.

Chief Inspector McKenzie went on to say that

“anyone purchasing an e-scooter has a responsibility to be aware of the law and the implications of using one in a public space.”

I think that too many people are unaware of that.

Clare Adamson made a very good point about batteries. Councillor David Gordon, chair of Moray Council’s planning and regulatory services committee, echoed that point when he said:

“E-scooters are powered by lithium-ion batteries and in recent years some people have unknowingly bought unsafe or counterfeit models that fail to meet UK safety standards—with tragic consequences.”

He went on to say that people should know exactly what they are bringing into their homes. He explained:

“Unregulated devices can pose a serious fire risk.”

The problems in communities have been well articulated, and we have experienced those in Moray. We have also seen the problem with batteries, some of which are potentially counterfeit, that are coming into people’s homes. That is a disaster waiting to happen. We have seen the tragic consequences of the use of such e-scooters and e-bikes. Therefore, we need tougher enforcement. We need to get the message out from this debate that e-scooters and e-bikes are not toys that are suitable for people to purchase and place under the Christmas tree—they are dangerous vehicles that are wreaking havoc. I would like to hear from the Scottish Government what it will do to ensure that action is taken and that the police can do their job by tackling such crimes.

18:46  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The final item of business is a members’ business debate on motion S6M-19918, in the name of Sue Webber, on dealing with the dangerous use of e-bikes and e-s...
Sue Webber (Lothian) (Con) Con
I thank everyone who has taken the time to stay behind and speak in this members’ business debate, given the challenging weather tonight. Last week, in the ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
We move to the open debate. I advise colleagues that we have a lot of interest, so I would be grateful if members could stick to their allocated speaking tim...
Clare Adamson (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP) SNP
I thank Sue Webber for bringing to the chamber this important debate on the dangerous use of e-bikes and e-scooters. As convener of the cross-party group on...
Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I congratulate Sue Webber on bringing the debate to the chamber, because the issue is—as we have just heard—a real menace throughout the country. In Aberdeen...
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
My concern relates to the member suggesting that more visible police—or more police on the beat, as we might say—is somehow a solution. I propose to him that...
Liam Kerr Con
I respectfully disagree with Christine Grahame. I understand her point—that we cannot swamp one area with police and move the problem to a different area. Ho...
Monica Lennon (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I thank Sue Webber for securing the debate and raising the important issues that her motion highlights. It is good to hear cross-party agreement from Clare A...
Liam Kerr Con
Monica Lennon might also be very interested in my justice paper. Would she like me to send it over after the debate?
Monica Lennon Lab
I am always looking for bedtime reading, particularly when I am struggling to get to sleep at night. Laughter. Liam Kerr knows how to get the paper to me. T...
Alexander Stewart (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I thank my colleague Sue Webber for bringing this important debate to the chamber. Her motion highlights the growing problem of the dangerous and antisocial ...
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
I was not going to contribute, but I have managed to get some free time this evening and it is a very important debate. I agree with much that Sue Webber sai...
Douglas Ross (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
Does Christine Grahame understand that the position that she describes is because those vehicles are not legal on the roads? It is vehicles on our roads that...
Christine Grahame SNP
They are illegal on pavements, but they are actually legal on roads. If you look at the “Highway Code”, which I have looked at carefully, you will see that t...
Sue Webber Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Christine Grahame SNP
Yes, I will take the intervention, although I was about to sit down.
Sue Webber Con
I think that the problem—as my motion should perhaps have intimated—is illegal use, or illegal e-bikes. All the issues arise when they hit speeds of 15 mph a...
Christine Grahame SNP
Yes, I appreciate that there are restrictions in the definition of a e-bike, and limitations on speed, but we know that the riders break those. All of that ...
Tess White (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I, too, thank my colleague Sue Webber for bringing this important debate to the chamber—
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Can we have your microphone up, please?
Tess White Con
Thank you, Deputy Presiding Officer. In the past few months, I have had near misses from a souped-up e-scooter or e-bike in Edinburgh. One morning, I came i...
Michael Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I, too, thank Sue Webber for securing the debate on this important issue. I agree with my colleague Monica Lennon that the debate is timely, given that, at t...
Christine Grahame SNP
I might have misheard Michael Marra, but I thought that I heard him show a certain degree of sympathy for my proposition that e-bikes should be licensed, reg...
Michael Marra Lab
I have some level of sympathy for that proposition applying to the different forms of vehicles that are being used. We must get a grip on their general use. ...
Douglas Ross (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I congratulate my friend and colleague Sue Webber on securing this important and, I believe, timely debate. I place on record my entry in the register of mem...
Christine Grahame SNP
I know that the member is keen to have clarity in the chamber. I was speaking about e-bikes; I did not mention e-scooters. The fact is that what I said about...
Douglas Ross Con
I will come on to that. However, you will need to help me to do so, Presiding Officer—the clock is ticking.
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Indeed. If you could take us up to 6.46, that would be helpful.
Douglas Ross Con
Okay—that is fine. I was speaking about e-scooters. If Christine Grahame was speaking about e-bikes, I apologise. However, going back to my original point,...
The Minister for Victims and Community Safety (Siobhian Brown) SNP
I thank Sue Webber for bringing the debate to Parliament and all members for their contributions highlighting the dangerous and antisocial use of e-bikes and...