Holyrood, made browsable

Hansard

Every contribution to the Official Report — chamber and committee — searchable in one place. Pulled from data.parliament.scot, indexed for full-text search, linked through to every MSP.

129
Current MSPs
415
MSPs ever elected
13
Parties on record
2,355,091
Hansard contributions
1999–2026
Coverage span
Official Report

Search Hansard contributions

Clear
Showing 0 of 2,355,091 contributions in session S6, 16 Apr 2026 – 16 May 2026. Latest 30 days: 148. Coverage: 12 May 1999 — 14 May 2026.

No contributions match those filters.

← Back to list
Committee

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee 03 December 2025

03 Dec 2025 · S6 · Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Item of business
Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Fairlie, Jim SNP Perthshire South and Kinross-shire Watch on SPTV

NatureScot has to report to ministers on any issues as well. If a particular issue is of concern, it can come back to ministers.

On amendments 234 and 235, I am not sure why Tim Eagle wants to amend the bill in that way. At various points in the stage 1 debate, the member outlined that he thought that NatureScot’s powers were broad and too vague. I have been clear that we want voluntary deer management to be the focus of our deer management efforts. We want the good collaboration that we have seen until now to continue. However, when NatureScot forms a view that the tests and the grounds for intervention have been met, we want to ensure that it is clear what action will be taken. Changing “must” to “may” would undermine clarity and certainty about what steps will be taken after NatureScot has formed the view that some form of intervention, whether that be a voluntary control agreement or a control scheme, is required. The lack of certainty about the process that would follow would not benefit anyone. For that reason, I recommend that members reject amendments 234 and 235.

On Rhoda Grant’s amendment 137, as I have set out previously, control agreements are voluntary. Publishing all the information related to section 7 control agreements, which are part of an iterative and collaborative process, including all the evidence that led NatureScot to form a view that intervention was necessary, would be pre-emptive and detrimental to everyone involved. It would place a significant administrative burden on NatureScot. The section 8 provisions are the end of the process in which deer control schemes become compulsory, and it is at that stage that the schemes are published by NatureScot. For those reasons, I encourage members to oppose amendment 137.

Tim Eagle’s amendment 236 would add an unnecessary layer of bureaucracy to the process for proposing a control scheme. NatureScot must publish a notice when issuing a control scheme. That notice must include a copy of the scheme itself as well as details of how relevant owners and occupiers can object. As I set out a moment ago, control schemes are the end of the process and, by that point, NatureScot will have been engaging or attempting to engage the owner or occupier on the deer management issues that the scheme seeks to address. Throughout the process, NatureScot will have gathered evidence and outlined its assessment of the situation on the ground, and the rationale for the intervention. Where an owner or occupier disagrees with NatureScot’s assessment, or the actions that are required by the scheme, they can object to the Scottish ministers. If the Scottish ministers then, having considered the evidence and any objections, confirm the scheme, the owner or occupier may appeal to the Land Court.

There is no rationale for introducing an additional step involving an independent panel to review control schemes. At best, that will result in the work that NatureScot has already undertaken being carried out twice, and, at worst, it will be a waste of time and money for everyone involved. We already have sufficient checks and balances in place, and a process that is well understood by all. I therefore urge the committee to oppose amendment 236.

On Mark Ruskell’s amendments 29 and 30, the changes that we are making to NatureScot’s powers under the bill are intended to support voluntary deer management and ensure that, in situations where those voluntary agreements break down, NatureScot can take enforcement action to ensure effective deer management. It is of the utmost importance to me that we do as much as we can to support the good deer management that is happening across Scotland and ensure that it can continue. At the moment, the process requires NatureScot to make the meaningful attempts that I have already spoken about to secure agreement on voluntary deer management. I fear that these amendments would undermine that aim entirely.

We want voluntary deer management to be the focus of our deer management efforts, and we want the good collaboration that we have seen until now to continue. That includes taking proactive action for environmental purposes while maintaining those appropriate checks and balances. It is not our intention, nor is it either practical or feasible, to demand compulsory deer management everywhere.

In the same item of business

The Convener Con
Our remaining agenda item is consideration of the Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill at stage 2. As we have quite a few groups to get through, I ask everyon...
The Convener Con
Amendment 201, in the name of Ross Greer, is grouped with amendments 122, 314, 61, 123, 202 to 204, 62, 124, 206, 63, 315, 64, 65, 207, 208, 316, 126, 127, 3...
Mark Ruskell Green
As members know, I am standing in for Ariane Burgess, so I will speak to her amendments, Ross Greer’s amendments—because he is at the Education, Children and...
Sarah Boyack (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Part 3 of the bill provides a welcome opportunity for us to update Scotland’s national parks so that they can better respond to our nature and climate crises...
The Convener Con
We will support Sarah Boyack’s amendments. Does she agree that, had those aims been in the original act, the issues and concerns—about housing, employment an...
Sarah Boyack Lab
That is the point that I was making in relation to lessons to be learned. When we established the first national parks, making sure that people could afford ...
Tim Eagle Con
I now have to try to argue that my amendment is stronger—we will see how we get on. Part 3 of the bill outlines the aims of national parks. My amendments 31...
The Convener Con
I call the cabinet secretary to speak to amendment 61 and other amendments in the group.
Mairi Gougeon SNP
There are a number of amendments in the group, and I will work through them as best I can. Although I understand the rationale for Ross Greer’s amendment 20...
Sarah Boyack Lab
Could you give us an example of the kind of problem that you think might be created? We are looking for joined-up thinking that supports communities, individ...
Mairi Gougeon SNP
I absolutely agree with that. I will have to follow up with a specific example of what that could look like. We have tried to strike the right balance in the...
Mark Ruskell Green
I am thinking about the primacy of the national park plan. If public bodies are engaging in the national park plan, surely they are actively furthering that ...
Mairi Gougeon SNP
However, there could be conflict in the future. I agree with what you say about how public bodies interact with the parks and park plans, and there is close ...
Rhoda Grant Lab
I understand the point about security issues, but it seems a bit strange that there is not at least an email address from which board members could pick up t...
Mairi Gougeon SNP
Again, all that that would do is add more pressure to the way that the system is handled. Potentially, those addresses would still be centrally monitored, wh...
Rhoda Grant Lab
I am not suggesting that it would be an official park email address. It would be an individual email address in the same way as we all have email addresses i...
Mairi Gougeon SNP
I have not heard from the boards that they would seek to have that arrangement. I believe that the parks are broadly content with how correspondence is manag...
Mark Ruskell Green
These are not new issues. The cabinet secretary might recall that there was much debate about setting the boundary of the Cairngorms national park. In fact, ...
Mairi Gougeon SNP
I appreciate what you set out and the genesis of the amendment, but I have to be clear that this just has not featured among the issues that have been raised...
The Convener Con
I call Mark Ruskell, on behalf of Ross Greer, to wind up and to press or withdraw amendment 201.
Mark Ruskell Green
This is a huge group of amendments that cover so many different issues, and it is very difficult to unpack them all in a single debate. Sarah Boyack perhaps ...
Sarah Boyack Lab
That is a really important issue. We do not want public bodies cutting across national park plans. We want the national park plans to reflect the views of ot...
Mark Ruskell Green
That was very well put. It cuts both ways: the park plans need to reflect the wider public objectives that public authorities are working towards, but they a...
The Convener Con
The question is, that amendment 201 be agreed to. Are we agreed? Members: No.
The Convener Con
There will be a division. For Carson, Finlay (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Eagle, Tim (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Grant, Rhoda (Highlands and Isla...
The Convener Con
The result of the division is: For 4, Against 5, Abstentions 0. Amendment 201 disagreed to. Amendments 122 and 314 not moved.
The Convener Con
I remind members that, if amendment 61 is agreed to, I cannot call amendment 123 due to pre-emption. Amendment 61 moved—Mairi Gougeon.
The Convener Con
The question is, that amendment 61 be agreed to. Are we agreed? Members: No.
The Convener Con
There will be a division. For Allan, Alasdair (Na h-Eileanan an Iar) (SNP) Grant, Rhoda (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Harper, Emma (South Scotland) (SNP)...
The Convener Con
The result of the division is: For 7, Against 2, Abstentions 0. Amendment 61 agreed to. Amendments 202 to 204 not moved. Amendment 205 moved—Tim Eagle.