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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee 03 December 2025

03 Dec 2025 · S6 · Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Item of business
Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2
Gougeon, Mairi SNP Angus North and Mearns Watch on SPTV

I have not heard from the boards that they would seek to have that arrangement. I believe that the parks are broadly content with how correspondence is managed at the moment. They might still consider handling those accounts in the same way, which would be unwieldy. I can only reiterate my points on that.

Amendments 126 and 127, in the name of Sarah Boyack, seek to insert a definition of cultural development into the 2000 act. If a definition of cultural development is to be included, it is important that we get the drafting right, to avoid unintended consequences. I would just like a bit more time to consider that; but, to be clear, I agree with what Sarah Boyack is trying to do. I would be happy to work with her on the definition ahead of stage 3, so that it is clear and comprehensive. Therefore, I ask her not to move her amendments today, to allow that conversation to take place.

Amendments 128 and 316 seek a national parks policy statement. Having reflected on the recent process that we have been through to look at the proposal for a new national park, I appreciate that some people said that they would have found it helpful to have a clear understanding of the Scottish Government’s vision for national parks and the role that they play. I have concerns about the resource implications of Sarah Boyack’s amendment 128 and cannot support it on that basis, but I am happy to support Tim Eagle’s amendment 316.

I understand the rationale for amendment 129, in the name of Sarah Boyack. During the recent consultation process on the designation of a new national park, some parties said that they would have liked greater clarity on what national park designation would mean in practice. A major concern about amendment 129 is that a blueprint for a new national park, including the boundary, functions and governance structure, would have to be presented without the benefit of consultation and co-design with local communities and stakeholders. Many people would be likely to criticise the Scottish Government for imposing what would then be considered to be its view of a national park on their area without proper consultation. If Sarah Boyack is willing not to move her amendment today, I am willing to work with her ahead of stage 3 to discuss a possible alternative, such as a requirement for ministers to seek expert advice on the rationale for designating a national park in an area before a formal proposal is made by ministers. On that basis, I hope that Sarah Boyack is content not to move amendment 129, to allow time for that conversation to take place.

Amendment 66 modifies the fixed penalty notice provisions in the bill to include the ability to confer powers to enter the land for, or in connection with, the issuing of fixed-penalty notices. I ask the committee to support amendment 66.

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Ross Greer’s amendments 212 and 213 also seek to modify the fixed-penalty notice provisions. I have sympathy for Ross Greer’s rationale for these amendments, but I do not think that the provision that they would make is necessary, because proposed new section 26A of the 2000 act already provides for the amount of the fixed penalty to be discounted or increased by an amount or a percentage in circumstances specified by the regulations. I agree that repeat offenders should be dealt with more severely, but, in some cases, a report to the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service would be the most appropriate next step. It is also worth noting that ministers will be required to consult stakeholders and interested parties before making the regulations that set out the detailed regime. For those reasons, I hope that Mark Ruskell, on behalf of Ross Greer, will not press amendments 212 and 213.

On amendments 27 and 214, from Mark Ruskell and Tim Eagle respectively, I appreciate that some members have called for a review of national parks, following the recent process in Galloway and Ayrshire, and I have therefore given these amendments very careful consideration. Amendment 27, in the name of Mark Ruskell, would place a duty on ministers to prepare a report on the benefits of expanding the existing national parks. Again, that has not been raised with me or put forward for ministers to consider. A report of that kind would require significant time and resource from the Scottish Government, the two national park authorities and other public bodies and organisations operating in the area. The preparation of a report within 12 months of the bill’s achieving royal assent would also be extremely difficult to achieve, given the forthcoming Scottish parliamentary election and the time that would be required to consult local communities and businesses. The requirement for the report to assess the potential impact of expanding the boundaries of the existing parks on meeting the biodiversity targets proposed in the bill does not seem realistic, given that the bill provides a framework for targets and the actual targets are not known at this stage. For those reasons, I cannot support amendment 27.

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The Convener Con
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The Convener Con
Amendment 201, in the name of Ross Greer, is grouped with amendments 122, 314, 61, 123, 202 to 204, 62, 124, 206, 63, 315, 64, 65, 207, 208, 316, 126, 127, 3...
Mark Ruskell Green
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Sarah Boyack (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
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The Convener Con
We will support Sarah Boyack’s amendments. Does she agree that, had those aims been in the original act, the issues and concerns—about housing, employment an...
Sarah Boyack Lab
That is the point that I was making in relation to lessons to be learned. When we established the first national parks, making sure that people could afford ...
Tim Eagle Con
I now have to try to argue that my amendment is stronger—we will see how we get on. Part 3 of the bill outlines the aims of national parks. My amendments 31...
The Convener Con
I call the cabinet secretary to speak to amendment 61 and other amendments in the group.
Mairi Gougeon SNP
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Sarah Boyack Lab
Could you give us an example of the kind of problem that you think might be created? We are looking for joined-up thinking that supports communities, individ...
Mairi Gougeon SNP
I absolutely agree with that. I will have to follow up with a specific example of what that could look like. We have tried to strike the right balance in the...
Mark Ruskell Green
I am thinking about the primacy of the national park plan. If public bodies are engaging in the national park plan, surely they are actively furthering that ...
Mairi Gougeon SNP
However, there could be conflict in the future. I agree with what you say about how public bodies interact with the parks and park plans, and there is close ...
Rhoda Grant Lab
I understand the point about security issues, but it seems a bit strange that there is not at least an email address from which board members could pick up t...
Mairi Gougeon SNP
Again, all that that would do is add more pressure to the way that the system is handled. Potentially, those addresses would still be centrally monitored, wh...
Rhoda Grant Lab
I am not suggesting that it would be an official park email address. It would be an individual email address in the same way as we all have email addresses i...
Mairi Gougeon SNP
I have not heard from the boards that they would seek to have that arrangement. I believe that the parks are broadly content with how correspondence is manag...
Mark Ruskell Green
These are not new issues. The cabinet secretary might recall that there was much debate about setting the boundary of the Cairngorms national park. In fact, ...
Mairi Gougeon SNP
I appreciate what you set out and the genesis of the amendment, but I have to be clear that this just has not featured among the issues that have been raised...
The Convener Con
I call Mark Ruskell, on behalf of Ross Greer, to wind up and to press or withdraw amendment 201.
Mark Ruskell Green
This is a huge group of amendments that cover so many different issues, and it is very difficult to unpack them all in a single debate. Sarah Boyack perhaps ...
Sarah Boyack Lab
That is a really important issue. We do not want public bodies cutting across national park plans. We want the national park plans to reflect the views of ot...
Mark Ruskell Green
That was very well put. It cuts both ways: the park plans need to reflect the wider public objectives that public authorities are working towards, but they a...
The Convener Con
The question is, that amendment 201 be agreed to. Are we agreed? Members: No.
The Convener Con
There will be a division. For Carson, Finlay (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Eagle, Tim (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Grant, Rhoda (Highlands and Isla...
The Convener Con
The result of the division is: For 4, Against 5, Abstentions 0. Amendment 201 disagreed to. Amendments 122 and 314 not moved.
The Convener Con
I remind members that, if amendment 61 is agreed to, I cannot call amendment 123 due to pre-emption. Amendment 61 moved—Mairi Gougeon.
The Convener Con
The question is, that amendment 61 be agreed to. Are we agreed? Members: No.
The Convener Con
There will be a division. For Allan, Alasdair (Na h-Eileanan an Iar) (SNP) Grant, Rhoda (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Harper, Emma (South Scotland) (SNP)...
The Convener Con
The result of the division is: For 7, Against 2, Abstentions 0. Amendment 61 agreed to. Amendments 202 to 204 not moved. Amendment 205 moved—Tim Eagle.