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Meeting of the Parliament 03 December 2025

03 Dec 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Group-based Child Sexual Exploitation and Abuse

It is a pleasure—unfortunately—to take part in the debate and to see how far the Scottish Government has moved. I thank the previous speaker for articulating the abhorrent history of the issue and the abhorrent nature of the experiences that our young people have had to face. That has led us to discussing the subject today, and I note the hard work that has been done by people outside the Parliament to provide support when that has been necessary.

In their most recent comments, Professor Alexis Jay and the NSPCC are unequivocal about the need for an independent review of child exploitation. Indeed, as my Scottish Labour colleague Joani Reid MP noted,

“Scottish government ministers were willing to quote”

Professor Jay

“as the final word in the argument when they mistakenly thought she was opposed to an independent investigation, and so they would be nothing more than hypocrites if they failed to act now.”

To be fair, based on the cabinet secretary’s opening speech, the Government is starting to act now. However, unfortunately, it appears that we will need to wait until some point before Christmas before we get a statement that will allow us to dig into the challenges relating to data and who will take control.

I welcome the appointment of Professor Jay as the independent chair of the strategic group. That represents a very sensible move forward.

Those who are watching the Parliament from outside still have many questions that need to be answered, so it is disappointing that it has taken an Opposition debate to get the Government to move its position. I find it very challenging, as was said earlier, to think why it has taken so long to reach what most mums, dads, brothers and sisters would have thought would be the most obvious answer. There has been a failing that needs to be looked into.

I thank the cabinet secretary for drawing on global statistics regarding the sexual abuse that young people face. Sadly, the majority of such abuse is faced within the family. That must be noted, but it is not an excuse for failing those who have suffered abuse and manipulation at the hands of strangers or for not addressing the lifelong challenges that have been caused by the abuse that young people have faced. Nor does that mean that we should, in any way, move our eyes away from supporting young people and mothers who face such abuse within families. Here we are during the 16 days of action, and we had a very powerful debate about that yesterday. Those people absolutely deserve and require the support of the Parliament and the Scottish Government.

I return to the subject matter of today’s motion and to the facts that have led to it being lodged. There are heart-wrenching examples of abuse of children who were meant to be protected by a system but were let down and then cast aside by it. Putting our head in the sand to avoid facing those failings is not acceptable.

I must address the remarks made by the cabinet secretary, Angela Constance, when she told us in the chamber that Professor Jay was against the review and then, sadly, ducked the scrutiny when that turned out to be false.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-19980, in the name of Pauline McNeill, on transparency in tackling group-based child sexual exploitation ...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Grooming vulnerable children for sexual exploitation is one of the most heinous crimes that can be committed, but for that to be compounded by systematic fai...
The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (Jenny Gilruth) SNP
The sexual exploitation and abuse of children and young people in Scotland is, sadly, not a historical issue. As we have heard, it is a challenging and compl...
Pauline McNeill Lab
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Jenny Gilruth SNP
Yes. I am happy to give way.
Pauline McNeill Lab
I appreciate that, given the time. Can the cabinet secretary confirm that she regards the process as an independent review, given that Professor Jay, whom w...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I give Ms McNeill my assurance that the inspectorates are independent of ministers, so that is my understanding. I reassure Ms McNeill that Professor Jay has...
Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
Does that mean that the Government will reject Russell Findlay’s amendment calling for a grooming gangs inquiry?
Jenny Gilruth SNP
As I have set out to Parliament today, the Government has to analyse the evidence that is put before us. As Alexis Jay has said, and as we have heard from Ms...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Please conclude, cabinet secretary.
Jenny Gilruth SNP
Above all, we must remember that this is about better protecting Scotland’s children and young people from abuse. I hope that Parliament will support the Gov...
Russell Findlay (West Scotland) (Con) Con
A “conspiracy of silence”—that was the phrase that was used by journalist Andrew Norfolk, who, in 2011, uncovered what became known as the grooming gangs sca...
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green
As the cabinet secretary said, the issue that we are debating—the sexual exploitation and abuse of children and young people—is not only an historic issue; i...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
I thank Pauline McNeill and Labour for enabling this debate to happen. Some of the issues that we are discussing were touched on in yesterday’s debate on vio...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We move to the open debate. 16:26
Martin Whitfield (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
It is a pleasure—unfortunately—to take part in the debate and to see how far the Scottish Government has moved. I thank the previous speaker for articulating...
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs (Angela Constance) SNP
I am grateful to Martin Whitfield for giving way. I advise him and others that, when I look at the Official Report of those remarks, I cannot see that I stat...
Martin Whitfield Lab
I am very grateful for that intervention, but, again—and I say this with respect, because I have huge respect for the cabinet secretary—that is not an answer...
Audrey Nicoll (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP) SNP
I begin by acknowledging the cabinet secretary’s update on the appointment of Professor Alexis Jay as independent chair of the national child sexual abuse an...
Davy Russell (Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse) (Lab) Lab
As colleagues have already noted, this issue is fundamentally about transparency and clarity. We have seen from the Casey report in England and Wales that t...
Sharon Dowey (South Scotland) (Con) Con
This is a subject of considerable importance. When the Government voted down our amendment to the Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill that...
Rona Mackay (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP) SNP
I thank the Labour Party for securing this important and topical debate. At any level, sexual exploitation of children is one of the most abhorrent crimes...
Russell Findlay Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Rona Mackay SNP
No, thank you. That is a hugely important piece of work for many people, despite what Russell Findlay says. It is always important to recognise the indepen...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Members.
Rona Mackay SNP
Surely we should be working together to eradicate this vile crime and gather much-needed evidence, rather than squabbling and scoring political points. I lo...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I advise members that we have a little bit of time in hand, so I can be a wee bit generous with members’ times. I call Liam Kerr to close the debate on beha...
Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I have been shocked and stunned listening to the debate, partly from hearing some of the horrific details of this most heinous and vile of crimes. Russell Fi...
Audrey Nicoll SNP
Will the member give way?
Liam Kerr Con
I will not take an intervention, because I am running out of time. Decision time is still 10 or 12 minutes away. There is still time for those MSPs to recon...