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Criminal Justice Committee 26 November 2025 [Draft]

26 Nov 2025 · S6 · Criminal Justice Committee
Item of business
Prostitution (Offences and Support) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Regan, Ash Ind Edinburgh Eastern Watch on SPTV

First, the reason why there is resistance to the idea of criminalising the buyer is that, as I have just explained, Scotland is a very profitable destination for pimps and traffickers. It is a top destination—that came out of a report from an all-party parliamentary group at Westminster; the committee can look it up. We are talking about millions of pounds being made from the commoditisation of girls and women. I gave you the national referral mechanism figures. Some of the people who are being exploited in the sex trade in Scotland are children. As a country, we need to consider whether we think that that is acceptable, or whether we want to change the law to address that. That is why there is resistance to criminalising the purchase of sex, but I do not think that that is a good enough reason not to do it.

As we have suggested—it came up when we discussed the bill with the Lord Advocate, and I think that it came out in the Crown Office evidence as well—this is root-cause offending. The type of men who are buying sex are quite often involved in other, similar crimes. Those men are involved in crime such as domestic abuse and other sexual crimes such as rape and sexual assault. It is appropriate, I think, that we consider criminalising this behaviour, because it sends a very strong message that, in Scotland, we do not want to tolerate this behaviour.

Screening is a myth. I come back to the figures again; I think that I mentioned them last time I was in front of the committee. There are the various proportions of women: the 2 per cent, the 38 per cent and the 60 per cent. The 2 per cent are probably the elite, at the very top of the market, and they are comfortable with the choices that they are making. I am not disputing that those women exist, and that they are in prostitution because they have made that choice. However, as legislators, we have to remember that they are not the majority, and their experience is not the same as that of the majority of people in prostitution. They might be able to screen, take a very small number of clients, make a lot of money and then leave the industry after a few years—but, as legislators, we need to consider the reality for the majority of women who are in prostitution.

I have spoken to women who have worked on street, I have spoken to women who have worked in brothels in Edinburgh, and I have spoken to women who were trafficked from Africa. There are many more examples, but I will just mention those. This is what they would describe to you. If you work in a brothel in Edinburgh, you cannot refuse clients. If you refuse more than a certain number of clients, your pay will be docked—and you have to pay fees and so on. Somebody working in a brothel in Edinburgh said to me that people have the idea that working off street is safer. She said, “I think it is slightly safer than working on street, but when we’re screaming in another room, the manager will just shut the door”—so that people could not hear them screaming quite as loud. It was not like anybody rushed in to save them or anything.

The myth of screening has developed a life of its own. If you are trafficked, as we understand the majority of women in Scotland who are working in prostitution off street to be—that is what I am attempting to target with the bill—and you are being coerced and controlled by a pimp, you will not have the opportunity to screen your clients. You will not know who is about to come through that door next, you will not know what has been advertised that you are supposed to be doing, and you will not get most of the money for it either.

We have to remember that anonymity is one of the most prized things that sex buyers have. That is the reason why the proposed law is so effective. It is not because we are going to put lots of the buyers in prison; it is because of the deterrent effect. These men value their anonymity. They use burner phones, and they use user identification, which is how women will sometimes attempt to verify them—they will try to verify whether a particular user ID is in use. They use fake names.

The women’s identities are often online, because of the review sites with pictures and so on. However, these men are very much in the shadows. They value their anonymity. It is laughable to suggest that there is any kind of meaningful screening. Do not get me wrong: I think that the women who attempt to screen will do so, because they are trying to survive in a system that is stacked against them. However, there is no meaningful screening that goes on. Most women in prostitution do not have the ability to decline punters.

In the same item of business

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Ash Regan (Edinburgh Eastern) (Ind) Ind
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The Convener SNP
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Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
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Ash Regan Ind
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Liam Kerr Con
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Ash Regan Ind
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Ash Regan Ind
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The Convener SNP
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Liam Kerr Con
I am done—thank you, convener.
Katy Clark (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
As you say, Ash, there seems to be support for three pillars of your bill from what I will refer to as both sides of the argument. However, there seem to be ...
Ash Regan Ind
First, the reason why there is resistance to the idea of criminalising the buyer is that, as I have just explained, Scotland is a very profitable destination...
Katy Clark Lab
If we take women working on the street, who I think you would agree are a more vulnerable group, some of the evidence seems to suggest, or some people are ar...
Ash Regan Ind
You are being told that because the pimp lobby does not want to criminalise demand. Pimps and traffickers are making a lot of money in Scotland, and they wan...
Katy Clark Lab
We have been told that, in France, the number of sex workers murdered seems to have been atypically high in the space of time immediately after the introduct...
Ash Regan Ind
I am sure that the convener will not want me to go into extreme detail on this. I will follow up with the committee on the evidence that we have on it—but, n...
Katy Clark Lab
That would be helpful, or perhaps you could share it with the committee later.
The Convener SNP
Can I perhaps now bring in other members and, if there is time, come back to you?
Katy Clark Lab
Yes, of course.
The Convener SNP
I urge witnesses to give succinct responses, just to allow everybody to come in. I bring in Jamie Hepburn.
Jamie Hepburn (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (SNP) SNP
Thank you, convener. I will stick with the theme, because our primary concern is the safety of women and girls who are involved in the selling of sex. Ash R...
Ash Regan Ind
It is wrong, and it is not just me who says that. The committee had a criminologist—a professor with 30 years’ experience—in here who told you that that is w...
Jamie Hepburn SNP
We have also heard from other academics, and we had the experience of engaging with women who are involved in the selling of sex—a summary of that engagement...
Ash Regan Ind
Which study was that?