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Meeting of the Parliament 27 November 2025

27 Nov 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Congestion Charging and Clyde Tunnel Toll (Glasgow)

I want to make some progress.

Jackson Carlaw talked about how important the Clyde tunnel is to his constituents. Glasgow City Council has previously asked Transport Scotland to adopt it as a trunk road, which was not agreed to because it is a route that data has indicated is mostly used by traffic from the wider Glasgow area.

All members have talked about the local nature of the tunnel. I suggest that Mr Carlaw would question what constitutes the wider Glasgow area and that he might not want East Renfrewshire to be seen as part of it. However, I point out that East Renfrewshire is part of the Strathclyde Partnership for Transport area and also part of the Glasgow city region deal that includes commitments on transport.

In a thoughtful speech, Paul Sweeney set out some of the challenges of regional work in relation to transport—[Interruption.] I want to address everybody’s points, if I can. In relation to people who enjoy living in East Renfrewshire but get opportunities to work in Glasgow, or receive health services in city hospitals, or want to enjoy the city’s leisure, recreation and study facilities, the balance of who should pay for what services has long been an issue—long before the idea of local road user charging at the Clyde tunnel was raised. Patrick Harvie referred to that.

Jamie Hepburn raised the issue of congestion. Local road user charging generally aims to ease congestion and to generate funds for transport infrastructure and public transport. That is not a new idea—indeed, many cities around the world have implemented such schemes as part of broader strategies to manage car demand.

Car use remains vital for Scotland, given our many rural and semi-rural communities. Any policy aimed at reducing car use must recognise that reality. That is why the draft climate change plan places a strong emphasis on the switch to electric vehicles through incentives and investment in infrastructure. We have refined our approach, and our primary target is now a 16 per cent reduction in car emissions.

Car use is still the largest contributor to greenhouse gases. It accounts for 38.9 per cent of transport emissions and 12.9 per cent of our total emissions. We need to tackle climate change, to have public investment in public transport and to ensure that things are done rationally.

I want to talk about what needs to be done in that wider context. I am concerned about the Labour chancellor’s approach to fuel duty and her EV pay-per-mile proposal. I think that it is the wrong decision for motorists, for our climate and for Scotland. She is ignoring the need for a broader reform of motoring taxation. We have repeatedly called on the UK Government to reform it and to engage with the devolved nations on the matter. What is needed is a four-nations approach to such reform to ensure that it aligns with wider considerations such as climate change, investment in public transport alternatives and road maintenance requirements. It is vital that the Scottish Government is involved in that.

On the current legislation, we are conducting a regulatory check of the 2001 act’s powers on local road user charging, to ensure that they remain fit for purpose. That process brings together local authorities, regional transport partnerships and key stakeholders to assess those powers collaboratively.

Local road user charging powers apply only to roads in respect of which local authorities are also traffic authorities. Meghan Gallacher might not be aware that the prohibition on tolls applies to bridge authorities. It was the SNP Government that abolished the Conservative-introduced tolls on our bridges, which means that authorities cannot charge for the use of trunk roads, as the Scottish ministers are the traffic authority for those roads. The Scottish ministers have no plans to introduce road user charging on trunk roads.

Today’s debate is also about local democracy. Time and time again, the Scottish Conservatives call for greater local decision making, yet when those very powers are placed in the hands of local authorities the Conservatives resist decentralisation. I have always been clear that decisions that shape communities should be made by those closest to them. Local authorities must be empowered to act in the best interests of their areas and remain accountable to the people whom they serve. Should any authority choose to progress with a demand management scheme, we expect it to work constructively and in partnership with neighbouring councils and regional partners where that is needed.

Pam Gosal misunderstands the law. Under the 2001 act, any revenue raised through road user charging must be reinvested to deliver the priorities that the relevant authority’s local transport strategy has set. That would ensure that every pound that is raised supports better transport outcomes. If Glasgow City Council, or any other local authority, considers using the powers, I am sure that it will set out the details of the costs and benefits and will consult widely. I would expect councils to engage with neighbouring local authorities.

I thank Jackson Carlaw for enabling me to set out a number of these issues as part of the debate. It started with Mr Carlaw’s characteristic hyperbole, but he has opened up issues for which everyone has responsibility—the move to tackle climate change, but also the move towards place-based transport planning, as was set out by Mr Sweeney. If we use the Parliament constructively, we can help to set the conditions for that, and that is what the tenor and manner of the debate should be. I thank the member for allowing me to make those points in my summing up.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
I ask guests who are leaving the chamber and the gallery, who have been most welcome to attend our Parliament—it is your Parliament—to do so quickly and quie...
Jackson Carlaw (Eastwood) (Con) Con
I thank the members who have been generous enough to lend their support to my motion. Can I say too how delighted I am to see Fiona Hyslop here to respond t...
Paul Sweeney (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Jackson Carlaw Con
Unfortunately, I do not have time because I am coming to the end of my seven minutes.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I am afraid that there is no extra time available.
Jackson Carlaw Con
I hope that Mr Sweeney is going to repent as well, because I have been very concerned by his tacit support for the proposal. If he is going to repent, no dou...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Before we move to the open debate, I advise members that there is a lot of interest in speaking in the debate and we are very tight for time. We will resume ...
Jamie Hepburn (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (SNP) SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I could see you looking very clearly at me when you reminded members of the four-minute limit. I thank Jackson Carlaw for lodg...
Pam Gosal (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I thank my colleague Jackson Carlaw for bringing this important topic to the Parliament. This issue affects not only those in Glasgow but everyone outside of...
Davy Russell (Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse) (Lab) Lab
I thank Jackson Carlaw for bringing the debate to the chamber. I chose to speak in the debate because, once upon a time, in the not-too-distant past, I was r...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
Will the member take an intervention?
Davy Russell Lab
Not just now. The Scottish Government abolished that kind of tax on the Erskine bridge, the Forth road bridge and the Skye road bridge. By proposing to intr...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
I congratulate Jackson Carlaw on bringing the motion to the chamber. I am genuinely sorry if he thinks that I was glowering in any way. It was certainly not ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
You need to conclude, Mr Harvie.
Patrick Harvie Green
It needs to support the transition to a sustainable transport system that reduces road traffic levels and invests in high-quality public transport and the ne...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Thank you, Mr Harvie. I have indicated the lack of time that we have for the members’ business debate. I need members’ co-operation in order to allow our sta...
Meghan Gallacher (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I congratulate Jackson Carlaw on lodging the motion and securing a debate in the chamber on this important issue. I must be honest: I believe that the propo...
Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I am compelled to speak in the debate on behalf of Glaswegians like me who will be inadvertently impacted by a charge from the SNP council, which, although i...
Neil Bibby (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I thank Jackson Carlaw for securing this debate, and I am grateful for the opportunity to outline my opposition to the proposed Glasgow congestion charge, wh...
Paul Sweeney (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I thank the member for Eastwood for lodging the motion for debate. The member for Cumbernauld and Kilsyth summarised the issue succinctly when he talked abo...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Thank you, Mr Sweeney—
Paul Sweeney Lab
It is over to the minister—
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
You need to conclude—you are over your time. Thank you.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Fulton MacGregor, who joins us remotely. 13:29
Fulton MacGregor (Coatbridge and Chryston) (SNP) SNP
I had not intended to contribute, so thank you for allowing me to speak, Presiding Officer. I will try to be quick and to take less than four minutes. I also...
The Cabinet Secretary for Transport (Fiona Hyslop) SNP
The policy on local road user charging schemes is given effect in the Transport (Scotland) Act 2001, which was introduced by the Labour and Liberal Democrat ...
Paul Sweeney Lab
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Fiona Hyslop SNP
I want to make some progress. Jackson Carlaw talked about how important the Clyde tunnel is to his constituents. Glasgow City Council has previously asked T...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
That concludes the debate. 13:40 Meeting suspended.