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Meeting of the Parliament 27 November 2025

27 Nov 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Congestion Charging and Clyde Tunnel Toll (Glasgow)

I congratulate Jackson Carlaw on bringing the motion to the chamber. I am genuinely sorry if he thinks that I was glowering in any way. It was certainly not the intention. It is just my face. If he does not like it, I am sorry, but it is the only one that I have.

I have no particular objection to what is written in the motion. Jackson Carlaw makes the point that, if a proposal of this kind was taken forward, it would have a wider regional impact and perhaps even a national impact. It is reasonable for Parliament, as the national forum for debate, to discuss it. I have no objection to that.

I have to admit that I expected a little more hyperbole in the speeches. We have not been disappointed, as a little bit of the “war on motorists” rhetoric has come up a couple of times in some of the speeches.

There are two perspectives through which we can see the issue: one is transport and the other is local government. I will split them up.

On transport, whether the Conservatives agree or not, I believe that there is an overwhelming case for a shift towards lower car use and greater investment in, and more availability and affordability of, public transport. Instead of vehicle excise duty being the principle means of raising revenue from road use, we should be shifting towards something that is closer to a polluter-pays principle, whether that is through road user charging or some other form. The UK Government has been praised—or perhaps “has been given a cautious welcome” is the right phrase—for taking some baby steps in this year’s budget to introduce a polluter-pays principle for road use. Even if the UK and Scottish Governments and local government all recognise that some kind of change of that kind has to come in time, I think that they all lack the courage to say so. If we make such a change then, of course, border and boundary issues will have to be addressed. I am aware that some areas in East Dunbartonshire, for example, have a residential road that is so close to the boundary with Glasgow that entering Glasgow is the only way for a person to leave their street. Of course, some of those issues will have to be addressed, but they are not insurmountable.

As for the local government perspective, I believe that the proposals that are under consideration from Glasgow City Council reflect local government’s position more generally, which is a lack of funding and a lack of power. Of course, I make the case that the Greens have done more than any other party in recent years to protect local government funding in many years of budget negotiations, and we have also successfully made the case for new financial powers for councils, some of which are now in place. Is it enough? No, but we are the only party to have made serious progress and to have shown how to fund that fairly from progressive taxation.

As we all know, and as has been acknowledged for many years, the specific issue that Glasgow City Council faces is that a great many high-value properties outside the city are generating costs for Glasgow without contributing council tax. That is a historical inequality since the break-up of Strathclyde region. The failure to reform local government taxation is one of the chronic issues that the Parliament has repeatedly refused to resolve, which leaves Glasgow City Council being forced to consider options that probably would not be its first preferences if it had solutions to the wider issues.

The Clyde tunnel is nationally important infrastructure, but its specific costs are borne by Glasgow City Council, simply because of the designation of the road, rather than the nature of the infrastructure. Comparable bridges are not funded by local authorities. Does anyone, whether that is Glasgow City Council, my party, or anyone else, think that the proposal is a wonderful thing, to use a phrase from Jackson Carlaw? I do not think that anyone does. It is one option to address legitimate issues. It is not the only option and it may not even be the best option, but the challenge to anyone who does not like what the council is considering is, if not that, then what? The answer needs to address questions about local government funding, the inequality that is facing an urban centre such as Glasgow—

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
I ask guests who are leaving the chamber and the gallery, who have been most welcome to attend our Parliament—it is your Parliament—to do so quickly and quie...
Jackson Carlaw (Eastwood) (Con) Con
I thank the members who have been generous enough to lend their support to my motion. Can I say too how delighted I am to see Fiona Hyslop here to respond t...
Paul Sweeney (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Jackson Carlaw Con
Unfortunately, I do not have time because I am coming to the end of my seven minutes.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I am afraid that there is no extra time available.
Jackson Carlaw Con
I hope that Mr Sweeney is going to repent as well, because I have been very concerned by his tacit support for the proposal. If he is going to repent, no dou...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Before we move to the open debate, I advise members that there is a lot of interest in speaking in the debate and we are very tight for time. We will resume ...
Jamie Hepburn (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (SNP) SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I could see you looking very clearly at me when you reminded members of the four-minute limit. I thank Jackson Carlaw for lodg...
Pam Gosal (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I thank my colleague Jackson Carlaw for bringing this important topic to the Parliament. This issue affects not only those in Glasgow but everyone outside of...
Davy Russell (Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse) (Lab) Lab
I thank Jackson Carlaw for bringing the debate to the chamber. I chose to speak in the debate because, once upon a time, in the not-too-distant past, I was r...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
Will the member take an intervention?
Davy Russell Lab
Not just now. The Scottish Government abolished that kind of tax on the Erskine bridge, the Forth road bridge and the Skye road bridge. By proposing to intr...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
I congratulate Jackson Carlaw on bringing the motion to the chamber. I am genuinely sorry if he thinks that I was glowering in any way. It was certainly not ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
You need to conclude, Mr Harvie.
Patrick Harvie Green
It needs to support the transition to a sustainable transport system that reduces road traffic levels and invests in high-quality public transport and the ne...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Thank you, Mr Harvie. I have indicated the lack of time that we have for the members’ business debate. I need members’ co-operation in order to allow our sta...
Meghan Gallacher (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I congratulate Jackson Carlaw on lodging the motion and securing a debate in the chamber on this important issue. I must be honest: I believe that the propo...
Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I am compelled to speak in the debate on behalf of Glaswegians like me who will be inadvertently impacted by a charge from the SNP council, which, although i...
Neil Bibby (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I thank Jackson Carlaw for securing this debate, and I am grateful for the opportunity to outline my opposition to the proposed Glasgow congestion charge, wh...
Paul Sweeney (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I thank the member for Eastwood for lodging the motion for debate. The member for Cumbernauld and Kilsyth summarised the issue succinctly when he talked abo...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Thank you, Mr Sweeney—
Paul Sweeney Lab
It is over to the minister—
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
You need to conclude—you are over your time. Thank you.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Fulton MacGregor, who joins us remotely. 13:29
Fulton MacGregor (Coatbridge and Chryston) (SNP) SNP
I had not intended to contribute, so thank you for allowing me to speak, Presiding Officer. I will try to be quick and to take less than four minutes. I also...
The Cabinet Secretary for Transport (Fiona Hyslop) SNP
The policy on local road user charging schemes is given effect in the Transport (Scotland) Act 2001, which was introduced by the Labour and Liberal Democrat ...
Paul Sweeney Lab
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Fiona Hyslop SNP
I want to make some progress. Jackson Carlaw talked about how important the Clyde tunnel is to his constituents. Glasgow City Council has previously asked T...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
That concludes the debate. 13:40 Meeting suspended.