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Meeting of the Parliament 26 November 2025

26 Nov 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Non-Domestic Rates (Liability for Unoccupied Properties) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Hoy, Craig Con South Scotland Watch on SPTV

Mr McKee has managed to magic up £1 billion in public sector reforms in the blink of an eye, so I am sure that he could find another £400 million.

The damage has been very real. Some developers have razed buildings to the ground because they could no longer afford to pay or were not prepared to pay tens of thousands of pounds in tax for buildings that they could not sell or rent. Others have collapsed corporate structures and simply handed back the keys, leaving the councils with the liability for hard-to-maintain properties.

The ministers who were responsible for the defective legislation that the bill seeks to remedy were Derek Mackay and Kate Forbes. Looking back to the consideration of that legislation at stage 2 by the Local Government and Communities Committee, it is clear that ministers did not do what was required of them in terms of legislative scrutiny or legal due diligence. At the time, the Government explicitly referred to repealing section 24 of the Local Government (Scotland) Act 1966, but it overlooked the existence of section 16 of the Valuation and Rating (Scotland) Act 1956. Kate Forbes and her legal team were asleep at the wheel. In fact, at stage 2 deliberations on what became the 2020 act, Ms Forbes told MSPs that the bill was sound. She said:

“Amendment 42 delivers that by repealing legislation that provides that no rates will be payable on unoccupied lands and heritages. It also repeals a power that allows ministers to prescribe by regulation classes of unoccupied lands and heritage for which such rates are payable.

Although amendment 42 is simple, the implications are significant, both for national non-domestic rates policy and for local empowerment.”—[Official Report, Local Government and Communities Committee, 4 December 2019; c 36.]

The Government believed that the matter was simple, simply because it did not do its homework properly. It went back to the 1966 statute, but, apparently, it did not go back any further.

Ms Forbes is meant to be the brains of the Scottish National Party operation when, in fact, it was slapdash and shoddy. Who is to be held accountable for that? I see no signs of any heads rolling. However, here we are again. As I said yesterday, the Government’s solution to fix a problem in legislation that was rushed is to rush through legislation.

I also have concerns about the lack of consultation. Ministers are saying that it is because they need to bring forward remedial legislation as quickly as possible following the concerns that were raised with them, but I do not accept in any way that, if they have been able to spend five months giving the matter due consideration, they cannot consult even for a matter of weeks, and that we should be forcing the bill through in two days.

We will not support the bill and we will seek to amend it to the point where ministers must go back and try to get it right. We also question the numbers. Although non-domestic rates on unoccupied property may have brought in £400 million, what damage has that done to the commercial property sector and the construction industry? Would this not be an opportunity to pause for some form of impact assessment to see what damage the legislation has done? If the minister were to speak to those in the industry—many of whom are very angry at the situation that the Government finds itself in—they would tell him, in plain language, what the effects of the tax have been.

On that basis, we cannot support the financial resolution. Given the significant doubts that we have about the possibility of a legal challenge, to support the financial resolution would be to give the Scottish Government a blank cheque while it could face significant legal fees.

I point out that we will try to amend the bill at stage 2 in a number of ways. Douglas Ross, who will speak shortly, will rightly try to ensure that we get greater transparency and accountability. This is the most significant legislative failure in recent years, and the minister should not be seeking to brush that under the carpet. Independent scrutiny is needed to restore confidence in the system and to identify the lessons to be learned.

This bill is, I fear, fraught with difficulty and complexity. I appeal to ministers not to be frivolous with the legislative process now, as they were in 2020. They should pause, think, consult and ensure that they approach it in the proper manner.

17:40  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-19891, in the name of Ivan McKee, on the Non-Domestic Rates (Liability for Unoccupied Properties) (Scotla...
The Minister for Public Finance (Ivan McKee) SNP
We are in the chamber today to debate stage 1 of a bill that seeks to correct a legislative error and ensure that there is a clear legal basis for local auth...
Craig Hoy (South Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the minister give way?
Ivan McKee SNP
I will make a wee bit more progress, before perhaps giving way to the member later. As members know, the Scottish Parliament voted in 2020 to devolve empty ...
Jeremy Balfour (Lothian) (Ind) Ind
Will the minister give way?
Craig Hoy Con
Will the minister give way?
Ivan McKee SNP
Ministers agreed that the introduction of legislation be explored, and officials have worked at pace to develop the bill and secure a parliamentary slot sinc...
Craig Hoy Con
The minister has, in part, answered my question about the party that has challenged the legislation. Since 23 June, have further parties come forward? Is he ...
Ivan McKee SNP
No other party has come forward on the issue, because it was not known about. Only one council has come forward. I do not know whether I want to give the nam...
Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Will the minister give way?
Martin Whitfield (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Will the minister give way?
Ivan McKee SNP
I have finished with that question, so I will take Martin Whitfield.
Martin Whitfield Lab
I seek further clarification of the situation. Will the minister confirm that what he described as a “routine” request was one that was created internally wi...
Ivan McKee SNP
I would need to check back on the detail on that. As far as the Scottish Government is concerned, the request came from a council, and its council officials ...
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
Given the dates that are involved and the slight confusion around that, is the minister willing to publish all internal correspondence about the error and th...
Ivan McKee SNP
In the interests of transparency, we are absolutely willing to co-operate with any requirements in that regard. Is that everyone?
Jeremy Balfour Ind
I seek clarification. When did the Scottish Government decide that legislation would have to be brought to the Parliament? On what date was that decision mad...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Minister, I can give you the time back for the intervention.
Ivan McKee SNP
Thank you. As I indicated in my earlier remarks, initial concerns were notified to ministers on 21 August. That is the first date that ministers were aware...
Mark Griffin (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Will the minister give way?
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
He may do so very briefly.
Mark Griffin Lab
I have a technical question to assist my understanding. I understand the position as to the non-domestic rates that have been paid despite there being no leg...
Ivan McKee SNP
I can provide clarification on any specific example that Mark Griffin wants clarification on. In simple terms, everything would continue as if the legislatio...
Craig Hoy (South Scotland) (Con) Con
The Scottish Conservatives have very real concerns about the emergency bill—concerns about how we got here, the legality of the measures and that, today, two...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (Ind) Ind
The member emphasises that businesses have had to pay the rates, but where would the £400 million come from? Would he support cutting it from local authorities?
Craig Hoy Con
Mr McKee has managed to magic up £1 billion in public sector reforms in the blink of an eye, so I am sure that he could find another £400 million. The damag...
Mark Griffin (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
On the face of it, this emergency bill is a short and simple bill, designed to rectify an error in the Non-Domestic Rates (Scotland) Act 2020. As the law sta...
Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I am curious. The member says that the Labour Party will support the bill. Does he not have any concerns about the legal issues raised earlier by my colleagu...
Mark Griffin Lab
I do have concerns about the legal issues. However, as the Presiding Officer said, all legislation that is passed in this place will ultimately face the scru...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I call Lorna Slater. You have up to four minutes, Ms Slater. 17:45