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Chamber

Meeting of the Parliament 19 November 2025

19 Nov 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Skills System
MacGregor, Fulton SNP Coatbridge and Chryston Watch on SPTV

It is a great pleasure to speak about the vital work that is under way across our education and skills system, which is helping people of all ages to reach their potential and is strengthening the foundations of Scotland’s economy. At the heart of that effort is a simple belief that every young person deserves a chance to succeed, and that Scotland thrives when its people thrive.

The SNP Government is investing more than £2 billion to give people access to education, training and opportunities that shape lives. That investment is guided by a clear purpose: building a fair, prosperous and successful economy, supported by an education and skills system that is flexible, responsive and ready to meet the needs of communities, employers and future industries.

I have to make the same apology about my voice as the Minister for Higher and Further Education did, because I was at Hampden last night.

Nowhere is the importance of Scotland’s colleges clearer than in my constituency of Coatbridge and Chryston. New College Lanarkshire, which is a campus in Coatbridge where I am a regular visitor, was recently named the further education institute of the year at The Herald education awards. It secured four awards, including the widening access award for its pioneering undergraduate school, which was created with the University of the West of Scotland. As the first degree-level school on a Scottish college campus, it is opening up fairer and more accessible routes into higher education. Almost half of its first cohort came from some of the most socially and economically challenged parts of Lanarkshire. With innovative programmes such as Scotland’s first dental nursing degree and the learning well online platform for adult learners, the college is transforming opportunities locally. Successful students such as Chloe Sandilands, who was in the press after she overcame homelessness to become a champion for inclusion and wellbeing, have shown the life-changing impact of a supportive college environment. That is exactly what investment, innovation and fairness can achieve for places such as Coatbridge and Chryston.

Colleges across Scotland play a vital role every day. They are powerhouses of learning and aspiration, ensuring that learners gain the skills that our economy needs now and in the future. Tens of thousands of learners progress through Scotland’s colleges each year, and the Scottish Government continues to support them, with more than £750 million invested into our 24 colleges and the apprenticeships that they deliver. However, we all recognise that colleges and universities are facing financial pressures, which have been intensified by the austerity that has been imposed by the UK Labour Government. Its cuts restrict Scotland’s public finances and limit our ability to invest even more in education.

Rising energy bills, inflation and increased employer national insurance contributions have created around £50 million in extra costs for Scotland’s educational institutions. It is not just colleges and universities that have been affected; businesses in Coatbridge and Chryston and across the country are feeling the impact of rising energy costs and the national insurance increase. Those costs reduce their ability to hire apprentices and invest in local jobs. I hear that often from businesses when I am out and about visiting them, as I am sure other members do.

Despite the pressures, Scotland remains committed to expanding skills and apprenticeships. This year, the SNP Government is providing £185 million to deliver 25,000 new modern apprenticeships, 5,000 foundation apprenticeships and 1,200 graduate apprenticeships, while supporting more than 38,000 apprentices who are already in training. Supporting young people goes beyond qualifications. It means giving them confidence, guidance and personalised support. That is why this year’s programme for government commits to improving school-age and adult career services, including better information on job prospects and earnings. We are also expanding recognition of prior learning, helping people to change careers and build on the skills that they already have.

As we look ahead, we must confront the reality that many of Scotland’s skills shortages have been driven by Brexit and UK immigration policy. Scotland was taken out of the European Union against its will, losing £2.3 billion in revenue, and faces higher borrowing costs as a result. Labour’s migration plans will make it harder to attract international workers and students. Those policies run counter to Scotland’s needs and values and, by contrast, the SNP recognises the immense contribution that migrants make. That is why we have proposed a Scottish graduate visa, which would ensure that Scotland can retain the talent of those who study here.

Scotland has huge potential. By continuing to invest in education, apprenticeships and skills, we are ensuring that every young person has a chance to fulfil their future. Despite the pressures from Westminster, we remain determined to support learners, strengthen our economy and build a fairer and more prosperous Scotland for all.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-19756, in the name of Daniel Johnson, on Scotland’s skills system. I invite members who wish to participa...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
Interruption. Apologies, Presiding Officer. There were some odd flashing lights on my console—hence my swift manoeuvre. I have a speech prepared, but I firs...
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Economy and Gaelic (Kate Forbes) SNP
I am listening to the member with interest, and he will know that I believe that the scale of opportunity in Scotland is such that we need to have a skills p...
Daniel Johnson Lab
That intervention from the Deputy First Minister ignores the fact that the number of people who are economically inactive is higher in Scotland than in the U...
The Minister for Higher and Further Education (Ben Macpherson) SNP
Excuse me—I lost my voice slightly at Hampden last night, as I am sure much of the country did, across different parts of our society. What we witnessed last...
Daniel Johnson Lab
Does the minister not at least agree that the fact that 4,500 fewer people than the Government’s own targets are getting an apprenticeship means that young p...
Ben Macpherson SNP
I have stated before, as have colleagues, that we have an ambition to grow the number of modern apprenticeships, graduate apprenticeships and foundation appr...
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I agree entirely with what the minister has just said. Nonetheless, I was at a conference at Edinburgh Napier University on Monday at which people were sayin...
Ben Macpherson SNP
That is a significant point that gets to the heart of the skills agenda that we are undertaking through a programme and a set of primary legislative changes....
Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Will the minister take an intervention?
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
The minister is concluding.
Ben Macpherson SNP
This year, we also have a record number of more than 110,000 vocational and technical qualification awards. There is more to do. That is why the primary leg...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I remind members who wish to participate in the debate but have not already pressed their request-to-speak buttons to please do so now. 15:15
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
When I saw that it was to be Labour business today, I thought that Daniel Johnson might have chosen to debate next week’s tax rises by the Chancellor of the ...
Ben Macpherson SNP
I challenge Mr Fraser and colleagues on that. The current system is working very well for many people, including many employers and many learners. Is it nece...
Murdo Fraser Con
I say to Mr Macpherson that he should go back and review the evidence to which I referred, because it gives a somewhat different picture. Part of my concern...
Kate Forbes SNP
Will the member give way?
Murdo Fraser Con
I think that I am in my last minute.
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
You are.
Murdo Fraser Con
I apologise to the Deputy First Minister. Whereas employers in England can directly access those funds, that is not the case in Scotland. The latest data sh...
Lorna Slater (Lothian) (Green) Green
The Economy and Fair Work Committee has heard over and over again about the advantages of workplace learning, not only for traditional vocational careers but...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
You need to conclude.
Lorna Slater Green
Not only are most apprentices men, but women apprentices are consigned to lower-paying sectors and lower-paying jobs. It is worth prioritising and correcting...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
The good news is that there is huge demand for apprenticeships. It is fantastic that so many people are willing to learn and that we have excellent people wh...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
We move to the open debate. 15:28
Alex Rowley (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
When I looked at the motion and the amendments for the debate, I could see in each a lot of positives on which we could agree. It would be great if political...
Jamie Hepburn (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (SNP) SNP
I thank Daniel Johnson for the debate. It is enormously important that we discuss this issue in the chamber, to ensure that not only our young people, but th...
Claire Baker (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
MSPs have described how they feel that Scotland’s skills system is failing too many young people and is holding back our economic growth. There is a need for...
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
As always, I am delighted to speak in support of our education and skills sector. It is great to see Labour at long last accepting what I and my colleagues o...
Fulton MacGregor (Coatbridge and Chryston) (SNP) SNP
It is a great pleasure to speak about the vital work that is under way across our education and skills system, which is helping people of all ages to reach t...