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Meeting of the Parliament 17 September 2025

17 Sep 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill
Nicoll, Audrey SNP Aberdeen South and North Kincardine Watch on SPTV

It is safe to say that the passage of the Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill has been long, complex and challenging—and rightly so, given the transformational ambition of the bill, which derives from the Lady Dorrian review, and which centres on delivering meaningful change for victims and witnesses in the justice system.

I, too, thank everyone who contributed to the shape of the bill as it stands before us today at stage 3. The extensive debates at all stages reflected the breadth of the bill and our collective desire to shift the dial on the common and, often, justified perception that the system fails to adequately support those whom it is meant to protect. I will quote the words of a survivor who gave powerful evidence to the Criminal Justice Committee at stage 1. She said:

“when we talk about what happened, each one of us mentions the exact date that our case went to trial. We remember the date that we were raped, but we also remember the date that we went to trial, because they are as traumatic as each other.”

Speaking as a member, rather than the convener, of the Criminal Justice Committee, and through the lens of a career in policing, I say that the bill presents a huge opportunity for us to create a contemporary and modern justice system that we can be proud of.

There is not enough time to comment on all the provisions in the bill, so I will reflect on a couple: the removal of the not proven verdict and the establishment of a specialist sexual offences court. First, I thank everyone, including campaigners and colleagues, for their efforts in making the case for free court transcripts. I hope that that proves to be a small but meaningful option for survivors as they move on from their experience of sexual crime.

There is no doubt that the not proven verdict has had its day and should be abolished. During scrutiny of the bill, some argued that the not proven verdict is a unique and historical feature of the Scottish legal system that should be retained. However, that is hardly a good reason for keeping it. Indeed, the Criminal Justice Committee heard compelling evidence about the devastating impact that that verdict—which cannot be defined—can have on victims. Even for the accused, it can be an unsatisfactory outcome and leave a lingering stigma.

The creation of a specialist sexual offences court is a key reform in the bill and is informed by survivors, their families and many others. It is supported by victims, stakeholders and leading members of the justice system. It provides a real opportunity to reform practice, process and culture by improving efficiency and effectiveness, reducing the number and frequency of unnecessary court adjournments and ensuring that cases reach trial more quickly. The status quo is simply not an option. I agree with the cabinet secretary’s view that the idea of creating specialist divisions of the High Court and sheriff courts

“prioritises hierarchies, status and tradition over progressive and practical solutions that will improve the experiences of complainers in sexual offences cases.”—[Official Report, 16 September 2025; c 114.]

There is so much more to say, but I will conclude. Over decades, we have seen meaningful change in culture, legislation and attitudes, but we need to do so much more. I urge members to support the bill.

15:58  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-18883, in the name of Angela Constance, on the Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill at ...
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs (Angela Constance) SNP
The core of the Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill is about supporting victims. I begin by recognising everyone who has been impacted by ...
Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
The bill has had a tortuous passage. The cabinet secretary said that it has been a marathon, not a sprint, and that is certainly true. It was originally goin...
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
This is the most difficult bill that I have dealt with in my time on the Criminal Justice Committee. It deals, in its entirety, with wholesale reform of the ...
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green
I remind colleagues of my entry in the register of members’ interests: I used to work for a rape crisis centre. We are here today to debate legislation that...
Jamie Greene (West Scotland) (LD) LD
I am often asked, when schools come to visit, “What is the best part of being an MSP? Is it helping constituents? Is it meeting inspiring people? Is it chang...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
We move to the open debate. 15:54
Audrey Nicoll (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP) SNP
It is safe to say that the passage of the Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill has been long, complex and challenging—and rightly so, given...
Douglas Ross (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I remind members of my entry in the register of members’ interests, which notes that my wife is a sergeant with Police Scotland. The cabinet secretary knows...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I call Christine Grahame, who is the final speaker in the open debate. 16:02
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
I congratulate all who are engaged in the bill, but I also consider that to allocate just over one hour to debate these radical changes to the delivery and p...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
We move to closing speeches. 16:04
Maggie Chapman Green
Presiding Officer, “We are treated like outsiders throughout the whole process.” “I was told by a police detective that I wasn’t raped—it was consensual....
Christine Grahame SNP
Thank you for taking an intervention; I know that your time is constricted. Is there a place in our education system—in schools—for education on the general ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Always speak through the chair.
Maggie Chapman Green
Absolutely—education for all of us about the legal system and our criminal justice system is imperative. After we pass the bill today, our third sector part...
Katy Clark (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I am pleased to close the debate on behalf of Scottish Labour. We remain concerned that the bill might have unintended consequences and disappoint victims. ...
Rona Mackay (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP) SNP
The member’s party and the Conservative Party are not voting for the bill. Do you not think that, by not voting for it, you are letting down victims and witn...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Always speak through the chair.
Katy Clark Lab
The whole of my speech addresses the point that Rona Mackay is making. There are many proposals in the bill that we agree with. Indeed, many of them do not ...
Sharon Dowey (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I acknowledge that the bill contains some improvements, and I welcome the fact that the Government backed my amendments to toughen up non-harassment orders a...
The Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs (Angela Constance) SNP
I do not want to pollute the debate with partisan comments because, at the end of the day, victims will judge for themselves whether they see through any con...
Liam Kerr Con
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Angela Constance SNP
Not just now. The bill will introduce radical improvements to how sexual offences are dealt with through the creation of a new sexual offences court, which ...
The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
That concludes the debate on the Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill at stage 3.