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Meeting of the Parliament 13 November 2025

13 Nov 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1
Simpson, Graham Reform Central Scotland Watch on SPTV

No, I will not take any more interventions—maybe I will do so later.

I am grateful to the Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee members for unanimously recommending that Parliament supports the general principles of the bill. The committee report comments on all areas of the bill, but it is fair to say that it does not make clear the committee’s collective position on a number of the provisions. For example, I am not sure whether the committee is for or against my potentially confusing and expensive proposal for the recall of regional members.

I assumed from the committee’s evidence and from its members’ questioning that it would be against that proposal, so I wrote to the committee on the day that its report was published to advise that I am now intending, if the bill passes stage 1, to amend that process to reflect the simpler approach that is proposed in the Welsh Government’s new bill. That would remove the recall petition process for regional MSPs and replace it with a straightforward poll on whether to retain or remove a member, which would be decided by a simple majority across the region. If the member lost that vote, they would be replaced by the next person on the party list, in the usual way.

That change would deal with many of the concerns that were raised in the committee’s report, and I would welcome comments from members across the Parliament on that proposal during the debate. What I am now proposing is a Scottish system that models its approach to the recall of constituency MSPs on the UK Parliament’s system and its approach to recall of regional MSPs on the Welsh Government’s system.

On the provisions on disqualification for a lack of physical attendance in the Parliament, my starting point for the bill was the fact that any MSP could, in theory, not attend the Parliament, either remotely or in person, for their entire term. That is the fact of the matter, and it is the law that councillors cannot get away with that, unless they have a good reason to be absent. I am of the view that it is not unreasonable to expect a fit and healthy MSP to come into the Parliament at least once every six months, and most people would agree with that.

Throughout the bill process, I have been clear that people’s personal circumstances should be dealt with in confidence, and I am not really sure why there has been confusion on that point. The committee had concerns about how the process would work in practice. It took issue with the role that the committee is being asked to perform and the lack of detail in the bill as to how the process would work and the criteria to inform its deliberations on what is or is not a reasonable excuse. The committee was dead against imposing a physical attendance requirement on MSPs.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-19565, in the name of Graham Simpson, on the Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill at ...
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Reform) Reform
It has taken a long time to reach today’s stage 1 debate on the Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill. I first suggested that we should do...
Kenneth Gibson (Cunninghame North) (SNP) SNP
Opposing the suggestion that MSPs who change political parties should be recalled, Mr Simpson, who is now a Reform MSP, said: “People switch parties for var...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Always speak through the chair.
Graham Simpson Reform
I am always happy to speak to Mr Gibson and to take up his offer of help. What he otherwise suggests is not something that I agree with. I think that it is ...
Sue Webber (Lothian) (Con) Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Graham Simpson Reform
If I get the time back.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
There is a wee bit of time at this point, if the member wishes to take the intervention.
Graham Simpson Reform
I will take one more intervention.
Sue Webber Con
What might you consider to be “a good reason”?
Graham Simpson Reform
If you are perfectly fit and able to come in, you should come in. That is the position. I turn to the committee report. I am grateful to the committee members—
Craig Hoy (South Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the member take another intervention?
Graham Simpson Reform
No, I will not take any more interventions—maybe I will do so later. I am grateful to the Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee members fo...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
Will the member take an intervention?
Graham Simpson Reform
I am afraid not, Mr Cole-Hamilton—perhaps I will be able to give way during my closing speech. It could be that that element of the bill will be removed dur...
Kevin Stewart (Aberdeen Central) (SNP) SNP
I congratulate Graham Simpson on getting his member’s bill to this stage. I recognise that it takes a lot of effort to progress a member’s bill through the P...
The Minister for Parliamentary Business and Veterans (Graeme Dey) SNP
I thank Graham Simpson for his open and constructive engagement on the bill, and the non-Government bills unit for its work on it. I, too, thank the Standard...
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
Will the minister give way?
Graeme Dey SNP
Absolutely.
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
This is the intervention that I wanted to make during Graham Simpson’s opening speech; I still intend to make an intervention when he is making his closing r...
Graeme Dey SNP
I would certainly be prepared to explore that with the member. He gets to the nub of today’s activity: we should be exploring whether the proposals in front ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Martin Whitfield to speak on behalf of the Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee. 15:21
Martin Whitfield (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I thank everyone who contributed to the scrutiny of the Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) (Scotland) Bill; the respondents to the Standards...
Jackson Carlaw (Eastwood) (Con) Con
Will the member give way on that point?
Martin Whitfield Lab
I am more than happy to, Mr Carlaw.
Jackson Carlaw Con
Therein lies the problem, because, if we had passed this legislation in 2015, the hybrid arrangements that we now have would not have been reflected in it, a...
Martin Whitfield Lab
I am grateful for that intervention. It is true that there are known unknowns and unknown unknowns. We do not know what the position would have been if histo...
Sue Webber Con
Will the member give way?
Martin Whitfield Lab
I am happy to.
Sue Webber Con
I am recalling the committee’s discussion on the use of language and how we were careful not to use the word “excuse” in any of the recommendations in our re...