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Meeting of the Parliament 12 November 2025

12 Nov 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Bus Services

I wish that I had the time, but I do not. I am sorry.

In my region, bus travel has fallen by a third—that is 70 million fewer journeys just in the West Scotland region. That probably explains why the M8 is a car park most of the time. All the while, fares rose by 16 per cent over that period.

The Scottish Government says that it wants to get people out of their cars and on to public transport. That is great, but in what way does removing a lifeline bus service encourage people out of their cars? The reality is that our rural and island communities have been let down the most by that travesty.

The Scottish Government has spent a lot of money on buses. It has subsidised concessionary fares and services by nearly £1.3 billion over the past three years alone. That is public investment for the public good, right? However, the fault of the current system is that it leaves all the power to private operators, which can pick and choose the routes that they want to run while demanding subsidies for the ones that make them no profit. The model is, simply, broken.

Back in 2019, I remember sitting on the lead committee for the Transport (Scotland) Bill, which gave councils powers to create and operate local bus services under a new franchising model. However, six years on, not a single franchise has been delivered under that model. That is because, clearly, the capital and other resources that are needed to deliver such a franchise just do not exist. I said all that, of course, when the bill passed. Councils were given all the power, but none of the resource.

As has already been pointed out, when it is got right, the system actually works. Greater Manchester has had 7 million more bus journeys and there are 24-hour routes—can members imagine a 24-hour bus service in some communities?—all because it restructured its franchising model and remodelled its ticketing system. I lodged an amendment to the 2019 bill on smart ticketing but, unsurprisingly, the Government rejected it.

Some six years later, I do not think that it is beyond the wit of ministers or Transport Scotland to come up with some real long-term solutions to the long-term problems of a declining number of bus routes, rising costs and falling passenger numbers.

If the Government is serious about the local authority franchising model, it needs back that up with resource and—I am afraid—money. Multiyear funding settlements to councils will let them make multiyear investment and spending decisions. Every £1 invested in our local bus services delivers up to £4.50 in wider economic and social benefits.

However, in return for public subsidy, I want to see operators meeting clear benchmarks for reliability, punctuality and, of course, accessibility. Travellers want us to get this right—buses that come on time, tickets that they can afford and routes that connect. The current model is unsustainable for the public purse and bad for commuters, and it sees a small, select few operators make the most of the profit.

I will support all the amendments today, because they all have something valid to say, but it is not about time that we all sat down around the table and came up with some solutions? Surely the travelling public deserve that.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-19632, in the name of Mark Ruskell, on better bus services. I invite members who wish to speak in the deb...
Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green) Green
Scottish Green MSPs believe that everyone in Scotland deserves to benefit from affordable, accessible and reliable transport, including from their local bus ...
Craig Hoy (South Scotland) (Con) Con
Does the member share the concerns of my constituents in South Scotland, particularly young people, who might have a free bus pass but not a bus service to r...
Mark Ruskell Green
Absolutely. The point of the debate is to look to the future and to the vision that we all want to create. The success of bus travel has not only been abou...
The Minister for Agriculture and Connectivity (Jim Fairlie) SNP
I thank Mark Ruskell for bringing the debate to the chamber. I welcome the opportunity to discuss the importance of local bus services and, in particular, to...
Craig Hoy Con
Will Mr Fairlie elaborate on the point that I made to Mr Ruskell, which is that one consequence of the expansion of concessionary travel is that the budget i...
Jim Fairlie SNP
I will come on to Craig Hoy’s point later in my speech. Although we are supportive of the Green Party motion that we are debating today, it is important tha...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
Will the minister give way?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
The minister is about to conclude.
Jim Fairlie SNP
I look forward to hearing members’ contributions this afternoon. It is clear that growing bus patronage and reflecting local circumstances in decision making...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Minister, I must move on and call Sue Webber—we have no more time in hand.
Jim Fairlie SNP
I move, as an amendment to motion S6M-19632, to leave out from “further agrees” to end and insert: "recognises that competition is essential to keeping bus ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Sue Webber to speak to and move amendment S6M-19632.2. 16:18
Sue Webber (Lothian) (Con) Con
I think that we can all agree on the importance of having better bus services across Scotland. Communities across Scotland deserve affordable, accessible and...
Jim Fairlie SNP
Does the member recognise—and rejoice at—the fact that the cabinet secretary and I had a round-table meeting with the Scottish road works commissioner and bu...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Thank you. I think that the member has enough to respond to.
Sue Webber Con
Could I get some of that time back, perhaps?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
You can get a very short time back.
Sue Webber Con
It is fantastic that Mr Fairlie has had the opportunity to meet with the road works commissioner. I have tried on several occasions, but I have so far been u...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Claire Baker to speak to and move amendment S6M-19632.1 16:22
Claire Baker (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
I think that we all agree that buses are the backbone of Scotland’s public transport system. For many people, whether they are getting to work, school or hos...
Jamie Greene (West Scotland) (LD) LD
I remember sitting at the back on a school bus trip and singing that famous school bus trip song—not the one about the ejection of one’s grandmother from sai...
Patrick Harvie Green
Will the member give way?
Jamie Greene LD
I wish that I had the time, but I do not. I am sorry. In my region, bus travel has fallen by a third—that is 70 million fewer journeys just in the West Scot...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We turn to the open debate. I advise members that there is no time in hand. Any interventions must be absorbed within the agreed speaking time. 16:31
Ariane Burgess (Highlands and Islands) (Green) Green
When it comes to buses, the Scottish Greens deliver. By granting under-22s free bus travel, we have seen hundreds of thousands more young people using Scotla...
Jamie Hepburn (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (SNP) SNP
I will make a short contribution to the debate. I recognise the fundamental importance of buses as a mode of transport and as a social and economic lifeline ...
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I am pleased to have the opportunity to speak in the debate. Public transport is one of the most important issues to my constituents, and bus services are th...
Fiona Hyslop SNP
Will the member give way?
Brian Whittle Con
I am sorry—I do not have any time. I would love to extend the debate. While the Scottish Greens continue to peddle ideological fantasies as the solution to ...