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Meeting of the Parliament 02 October 2025 [Draft]

02 Oct 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Dog Theft (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Hamilton, Rachael Con Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire Watch on SPTV

What strange conversations we have when we are discussing a bill involving furry creatures—Jamie Halcro Johnston has just shown me a picture of his black cat, Squeaky Biscuit.

My brother’s dog is a rescue dog from Ukraine. It is much loved but paranoid and very anxious. I have two dogs: Pippa and Alfie. In fact, Alfie is dead, and I have Olly now. [Interruption.] I know—it is horrible when you lose a dog. My two dogs are pretty unruly. We live in the countryside and, when I take them on an urban walk and they misbehave, I say that they are rescue dogs, like my brother’s dog from Ukraine, but I am working on their behaviour.

I want to bring members back to the concept of returning home to find that your dogs are no longer there. When I arrive home, I know that my dogs are there, because, when I drive around the corner of the house, they are barking. To me, that is reassuring. When I turn the key, they are there and they are excited. They give me a warm, unfettered welcome, and it is lovely.

That was not the case for my constituents Georgie and Eddie Bell and their two daughters. In 2018, their dogs were stolen. They were two lovely Border terriers, who, if I remember rightly, were called Beetle and Ruby. Georgie and Eddie launched a campaign with lots of posters around the Borders, offering a reward, and Georgie posted daily blogs. They were totally beloved dogs. The family had a bit of a setback because, a couple of months after the disappearance of Ruby and Beetle, they had a mystery call from a gentleman from Galway in Ireland, who said that he had the dogs. Sadly, it was a hoax and an attempt at extortion. That was desperately upsetting, because the family were left heartbroken once again. Many years on, the family still hold on to the belief that their dogs will be returned. Ruby and Beetle would now be 12 and nine.

Why does Maurice Golden’s bill matter? Stealing a dog is treated in the same way as stealing a handbag or, as Jamie Halcro Johnston said, stealing £20. However, a dog is not like other material possessions; it is not an inanimate object. Although a handbag might bring joy to some people, a dog brings loyalty, companionship and, for many, independence, security and safety. Working dogs also bring an income.

Pet theft is on the rise—we have talked about that in the past. During the pandemic, there was a rise in demand for puppies. The law fails to consider the emotional value of a dog and does not do enough to collect accurate data, support owners, deter thieves or put victims at the heart of things by dealing with the trauma that they go through.

Gathering accurate data will absolutely—100 per cent—give a clearer picture of the problem. Proper reporting is also very important, as is a review of how the law is working. Furthermore, the bill makes dog theft a specific criminal offence, with penalties of up to five years in prison, as we have heard, which will send a clear message to criminals, even though some people have said that we already have a stand-alone offence. The bill has overwhelming support from the majority of animal charities and the police. The Law Society of Scotland was slightly sceptical about it, but it remained neutral on it.

The bill is about protection, victims and justice. It is about love, family and protecting our loved ones. I urge everyone to support it.

Finally, we should amend the bill so that it explicitly refers to working gun dogs, as requested by the British Association for Shooting and Conservation, because it is important that we strengthen that part of the bill.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-19121, in the name of Maurice Golden, on the Dog Theft (Scotland) Bill at stage 1. Members who wish to pa...
Maurice Golden (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I thank my team, as well as the parliamentary clerks and the additional member in charge of the bill, Christine Grahame. It is a privilege to stand here tod...
The Minister for Victims and Community Safety (Siobhian Brown) SNP
I thank Maurice Golden for his constructive engagement on the bill and the non-Government bills unit for all its continuing work on it. I also thank the Rura...
Finlay Carson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Con
I am pleased to speak on behalf of the Rural Affairs and Islands Committee about our stage 1 scrutiny of Maurice Golden’s Dog Theft (Scotland) Bill. Given th...
Jamie Halcro Johnston (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I welcome the opportunity to speak in the debate, and I congratulate my friend Maurice Golden on his dedication and commitment to highlighting this important...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
I acknowledge the work that Maurice Golden has put into the bill. Dog theft causes heartbreak for owners. Not only that, but it can be expensive to buy a dog...
Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green) Green
I acknowledge the hard work and effort that Maurice Golden, his team and stakeholders have put into getting the bill to this stage. It is not to be underesti...
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
I congratulate my colleague on his persistence in bringing forward the bill—I know what it takes. We have come a long way from when we, as the highest anima...
Finlay Carson Con
Given Ms Grahame’s experience of dog legislation, why does she believe that the Government is reluctant for working dogs to be included in the bill?
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I can give you the time back, Ms Grahame.
Christine Grahame SNP
It is up to us to persuade the Government. I am sure that, between us and the member in charge of the bill, we might make progress. I just put that down as a...
Rachael Hamilton (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con) Con
What strange conversations we have when we are discussing a bill involving furry creatures—Jamie Halcro Johnston has just shown me a picture of his black cat...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Thank you, Ms Hamilton. I feel confident that Jamie Halcro Johnston will not be sharing any further pet details with you in the future. 16:13
Emma Harper (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
First, I congratulate Maurice Golden on getting his member’s bill this far. I know the hard work that it takes for a member and their team—dinnae forget the ...
Richard Leonard (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I am pleased to speak in support of the principles contained in the Dog Theft (Scotland) Bill, and I commend Maurice Golden for bringing it to this stage. Th...
Christine Grahame SNP
Unfortunately for Richard Leonard, we have to look at the purpose of the bill. It is about dogs, so I am afraid that he cannot introduce another lot of anima...
Richard Leonard Lab
Well, I have just said that we also need to listen to our constituents and what they are telling us. We can deal with that matter at stage 2, perhaps. The p...
Elena Whitham (Carrick, Cumnock and Doon Valley) (SNP) SNP
I am speaking in support of the general principles of Maurice Golden’s Dog Theft (Scotland) Bill. In doing so, I will focus my remarks on whether to include ...
Rhoda Grant Lab
It has been an interesting debate. It is good to see so much agreement around the chamber about how the bill is viewed. Richard Leonard said that it is about...
Finlay Carson Con
Given Rhoda Grant’s position on the Rural Affairs and Islands Committee since the start of this parliamentary session, she will recognise that there were dis...
Rhoda Grant Lab
Yes, I think that that is a really good idea. Committee time is heavily constrained, so it is difficult to see how that could otherwise be done. The lack of ...
Christine Grahame SNP
As a cat lover, I want to correct what Rhoda Grant said. The saying is, “Dogs have owners. Cats have staff.”
Rhoda Grant Lab
That is indeed true. My cat tells me what I should do, not the other way round. I try to tell her what to do, but she does not listen. To be serious, and to...
Sue Webber (Lothian) (Con) Con
As a dog owner, I am pleased to close the debate for the Conservatives. Alfie makes my life complete. Since we brought him home in February three years ago, ...
Siobhian Brown SNP
We are a nation of animal lovers, and many of our households have or look after animals. Whether it is a goldfish or a horse, animals play a major role in ou...
Christine Grahame SNP
It is unfortunate that I did not remark on section 1(2) in my speech. That is a tricky section. As a former divorce lawyer, I assure members that parties wou...
Siobhian Brown SNP
I am totally sympathetic to the concerns raised by Elena Whitham. I am unsure whether this is the right bill to deal with that, but the issue could, perhaps,...
Elena Whitham SNP
I understand the narrow nature of a member’s bill, which, as the committee also suggested, might not be the right vehicle. However, although there are provis...
Siobhian Brown SNP
I am happy to take that away and meet the member to discuss the issue further. It might be something that the expert advisory group could look at; perhaps we...
Maurice Golden Con
I thank all members for their speeches. It has been a good debate. I welcome the level of engagement on the issue, and with the bill, from members across the...