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Meeting of the Parliament 02 October 2025 [Draft]

02 Oct 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Dog Theft (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

I welcome the opportunity to speak in the debate, and I congratulate my friend Maurice Golden on his dedication and commitment to highlighting this important issue, and on the work that he has done personally to advance it and keep it on the agenda. It is positive that the Scottish Government has given its qualified support to the bill and that it will hopefully find its place on the statute book before too long.

I am sure that we can all relate to the emotive issue of dog theft. With the Scottish Government estimating a dog population of between 800,000 and 1 million, it is safe to say that there will be many dog owners in this chamber. I regret to inform members that I am currently not one of them, but I hope that that might change soon.

I am always pleased to support events such as the Dogs Trust show here at Holyrood. Not only is it always a highlight of the parliamentary calendar, but it serves to promote the rehoming of dogs in its care. I am particularly proud to say that not only did my Dogs Trust dog, Buster, medal in that competition, but he was rehomed the very next week.

It is no great struggle to recognise the bond between people and their dogs. For many, they are part of the family. That was certainly the case with all our dogs, and I know the loss that I would have felt had any of them been stolen from us. I see that same bond in my friend’s rescue dog, Billy—or Bilbo Doggins, as he is affectionately known. He swapped the mean streets of Bulgaria for a more comfortable life beside the sea outside Edinburgh. Despite his penchant for eating whatever has died or been washed up—or, indeed, been washed up dead—on their local beach, despite his appalling record on recall and despite his occasional, or perhaps incessant, barking, he is a very much loved part of the family, especially by the children.

That is why dog abduction is such an abhorrent crime, which rightly sickens not only dog owners but wider society. Too often, it is combined with other sorts of criminality; abducted dogs can face horrifying cruelty and neglect. Maurice Golden’s bill proposes a significant change to how dog theft will be prosecuted.

The chief objection to the bill appears to relate to the merit of creating distinct offences to cover conduct that is already criminal. When making that objection, we should keep in mind that overlapping offences are far from uncommon and form an essential and long-standing part of our justice system. We use them to draw distinctions between action and intent, to indicate that a different punishment is intended and to lay down a marker to criminals that the focus of the law is on them.

As has been set out in much of the evidence presented on the bill, dogs are living, sentient beings. What is being done to them when they are stolen is categorically different from what is being done when a £20 note is stolen from somebody’s purse or a watch is stolen from a wrist. The impact on the human is quite different, too. The gap that the dog leaves in someone’s home and the not knowing where they are or how they are being treated should be reflected in how we address those offences.

The relatively new sentencing process guidelines from the Scottish Sentencing Council recognise a range of criteria for judges in choosing appropriate sentences. Harm is the most applicable, but also the most general. The Law Society of Scotland has taken a neutral view on the question, but points to sentimental value being part of the existing assessment of harm. That, too, is insufficient in recognising the true extent of harm in this case. Just as a dog is different from a stolen £20 note or a wristwatch, it is different from an old photograph or a piece of your grandmother’s jewellery. Ultimately, it is for the Parliament, rather than the courts, to answer questions of value and the finer boundaries of criminal law and to reflect the views of society in doing so.

I note the Scottish Government’s position on adding dog theft to the category of offences for which a victim statement could be made by the affected parties to the court under section 3 of the bill. Although I do not take issue with the Minister for Victims and Community Safety’s explanation in her letter of 29 September to the committee convener, it is disappointing that the Scottish Government has not found a clear path to allowing this innovation. I have no doubt that, for offences of this type, victim statements would be a positive step in highlighting and representing the harm that has been caused, ahead of sentencing decisions.

The bill is well deserving of support. In the best traditions of members’ bills, it highlights an overlooked issue that is important to people beyond the walls of the Parliament and proposes action to deal with it. I am pleased that the Scottish Government has recognised that and has offered qualified support, and I hope that members will look to endorse the bill’s general principles.

15:55  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-19121, in the name of Maurice Golden, on the Dog Theft (Scotland) Bill at stage 1. Members who wish to pa...
Maurice Golden (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I thank my team, as well as the parliamentary clerks and the additional member in charge of the bill, Christine Grahame. It is a privilege to stand here tod...
The Minister for Victims and Community Safety (Siobhian Brown) SNP
I thank Maurice Golden for his constructive engagement on the bill and the non-Government bills unit for all its continuing work on it. I also thank the Rura...
Finlay Carson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Con
I am pleased to speak on behalf of the Rural Affairs and Islands Committee about our stage 1 scrutiny of Maurice Golden’s Dog Theft (Scotland) Bill. Given th...
Jamie Halcro Johnston (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I welcome the opportunity to speak in the debate, and I congratulate my friend Maurice Golden on his dedication and commitment to highlighting this important...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
I acknowledge the work that Maurice Golden has put into the bill. Dog theft causes heartbreak for owners. Not only that, but it can be expensive to buy a dog...
Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green) Green
I acknowledge the hard work and effort that Maurice Golden, his team and stakeholders have put into getting the bill to this stage. It is not to be underesti...
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
I congratulate my colleague on his persistence in bringing forward the bill—I know what it takes. We have come a long way from when we, as the highest anima...
Finlay Carson Con
Given Ms Grahame’s experience of dog legislation, why does she believe that the Government is reluctant for working dogs to be included in the bill?
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I can give you the time back, Ms Grahame.
Christine Grahame SNP
It is up to us to persuade the Government. I am sure that, between us and the member in charge of the bill, we might make progress. I just put that down as a...
Rachael Hamilton (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con) Con
What strange conversations we have when we are discussing a bill involving furry creatures—Jamie Halcro Johnston has just shown me a picture of his black cat...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Thank you, Ms Hamilton. I feel confident that Jamie Halcro Johnston will not be sharing any further pet details with you in the future. 16:13
Emma Harper (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
First, I congratulate Maurice Golden on getting his member’s bill this far. I know the hard work that it takes for a member and their team—dinnae forget the ...
Richard Leonard (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I am pleased to speak in support of the principles contained in the Dog Theft (Scotland) Bill, and I commend Maurice Golden for bringing it to this stage. Th...
Christine Grahame SNP
Unfortunately for Richard Leonard, we have to look at the purpose of the bill. It is about dogs, so I am afraid that he cannot introduce another lot of anima...
Richard Leonard Lab
Well, I have just said that we also need to listen to our constituents and what they are telling us. We can deal with that matter at stage 2, perhaps. The p...
Elena Whitham (Carrick, Cumnock and Doon Valley) (SNP) SNP
I am speaking in support of the general principles of Maurice Golden’s Dog Theft (Scotland) Bill. In doing so, I will focus my remarks on whether to include ...
Rhoda Grant Lab
It has been an interesting debate. It is good to see so much agreement around the chamber about how the bill is viewed. Richard Leonard said that it is about...
Finlay Carson Con
Given Rhoda Grant’s position on the Rural Affairs and Islands Committee since the start of this parliamentary session, she will recognise that there were dis...
Rhoda Grant Lab
Yes, I think that that is a really good idea. Committee time is heavily constrained, so it is difficult to see how that could otherwise be done. The lack of ...
Christine Grahame SNP
As a cat lover, I want to correct what Rhoda Grant said. The saying is, “Dogs have owners. Cats have staff.”
Rhoda Grant Lab
That is indeed true. My cat tells me what I should do, not the other way round. I try to tell her what to do, but she does not listen. To be serious, and to...
Sue Webber (Lothian) (Con) Con
As a dog owner, I am pleased to close the debate for the Conservatives. Alfie makes my life complete. Since we brought him home in February three years ago, ...
Siobhian Brown SNP
We are a nation of animal lovers, and many of our households have or look after animals. Whether it is a goldfish or a horse, animals play a major role in ou...
Christine Grahame SNP
It is unfortunate that I did not remark on section 1(2) in my speech. That is a tricky section. As a former divorce lawyer, I assure members that parties wou...
Siobhian Brown SNP
I am totally sympathetic to the concerns raised by Elena Whitham. I am unsure whether this is the right bill to deal with that, but the issue could, perhaps,...
Elena Whitham SNP
I understand the narrow nature of a member’s bill, which, as the committee also suggested, might not be the right vehicle. However, although there are provis...
Siobhian Brown SNP
I am happy to take that away and meet the member to discuss the issue further. It might be something that the expert advisory group could look at; perhaps we...
Maurice Golden Con
I thank all members for their speeches. It has been a good debate. I welcome the level of engagement on the issue, and with the bill, from members across the...