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Meeting of the Parliament 05 November 2025 [Draft]

05 Nov 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Maternity Services

I am sorry, but I am short for time.

I do not know how often that happens, but if it happened in the number of cases that I have heard about, it is far too often.

The number of stillbirths in Scotland has dropped quite significantly, but it has plateaued in the past few years. We have not made further progress on the reduction, and we do not have a target like there is in England. We should be aiming to have a target.

My final point to the cabinet secretary is that I can understand the pragmatic way in which he is going about this. He believes that the task force is the best way to proceed, but I think that the issues are bigger. We need somebody with authority from outside the system—crudely—to rattle the cage and to make the necessary changes. I do not think that a task force with representatives from inside the current system will be enough to address all the issues that I have highlighted this afternoon.

The one thing that is for sure is that, for the families who are in the gallery today, we must do everything that we can to make changes so that we reduce the possibility of this ever happening again.

I move amendment S6M-19512.1, to insert at end:

“; notes that, following the downgrading of the consultant-led maternity unit at Caithness General Hospital in 2016, women in Caithness can face a 100 mile trip down the A9 to Raigmore Hospital in Inverness to give birth, and calls on the Scottish Government to commission an independent review of maternity services in Caithness.”

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The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-19512, in the name of Jackie Baillie, on Scotland’s maternity services. I invite members who wish to part...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
The birth of a child is probably the most significant and special event for any mother, but in Scotland today, sadly, that is not always the case. Last week,...
Finlay Carson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Jackie Baillie Lab
I am happy to do so.
Finlay Carson Con
Although patient safety is paramount, does the member accept that the reduction in the number of midwives through poor workplace management has reduced the c...
Jackie Baillie Lab
I agree—understaffing is one of the key problems in some of the distressing cases that I outlined and also in being able to provide safe midwifery-led servic...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Unfortunately, the baby cannot move the motion, Ms Baillie, so I would be grateful if you could do so. Laughter.
Jackie Baillie Lab
I move, That the Parliament is alarmed by the serious patient safety issues raised in recent inspection reports of maternity services, and calls on the Scot...
The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care (Neil Gray) SNP
I thank Jackie Baillie for lodging the motion for debate. I agree with a substantial amount of what she has put on the record today. I provided a statement ...
Sarah Boyack (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Does the cabinet secretary agree that the experience of women who miscarry needs to be looked at, too? One of my constituents had to wait while two parts of ...
Neil Gray SNP
I absolutely agree with Sarah Boyack. I expect that to be part of the improvements that need to come through from Healthcare Improvement Scotland’s review, b...
Sandesh Gulhane (Glasgow) (Con) Con
I thank the cabinet secretary for taking my intervention. I declare an interest as a practising NHS general practitioner. Repeated surveys show that obstetr...
Neil Gray SNP
I made it absolutely clear in response to questions from Dr Gulhane’s colleague Stephen Kerr last week about my very clear expectation for the culture in our...
Stephen Kerr (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
Will Neil Gray take an intervention?
Neil Gray SNP
I need to make some progress, so I hope that members will forgive me. I will see whether I can come to Mr Kerr later. I know that members of the Parliament ...
Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Neil Gray SNP
I will try to come back to Pam Duncan-Glancy. I want to make progress, but I also want to ensure that colleagues have the opportunity to have their say. I w...
Jackie Baillie Lab
A national investigation would not be in place of the work that is going on—it would go alongside that and would recognise that this issue does not just affe...
Neil Gray SNP
I recognise the point that Jackie Baillie makes. I believe that the HIS inspection regime allows us to get into greater detail at local levels and allows us ...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
I understand the cabinet secretary’s point, which is that he wants immediate action. However, in his statement last week, he set out a series of investigatio...
Neil Gray SNP
I disagree. Healthcare Improvement Scotland inspections have only begun this year to uncover the challenges that we have seen in Tayside and in Lothian. They...
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
My colleague Marie Tidball MP has started a campaign about the experience of disabled people during maternity on the back of the London School of Hygiene and...
Neil Gray SNP
It absolutely has to be, of course; there is no equivocation on that. The new Scottish maternity and neonatal task force, which I announced last week, will ...
Stephen Kerr Con
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
Neil Gray SNP
I do not know how much time I have left.
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
We have used up all the time in hand. I expect to extend the debate a little, given the nature of the discussions, but, as I say, we are over time.
Neil Gray SNP
If Mr Kerr could be pithy, I will take the intervention.
Stephen Kerr Con
I will be very pithy. Despite what the cabinet secretary says, I cannot see how, without a national inquiry, we can get to the issues of culture that he spok...
Neil Gray SNP
I have already said that, should the HIS inspections that we are getting before March, and the task force, recommend that course, that is what I will do. I b...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
Will the cabinet secretary give way?