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Meeting of the Parliament 14 May 2024

14 May 2024 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill

I thank Ben Macpherson for that intervention, but I say to him that it should not have taken seven years for us to get to this point. I think that he would agree with me on that. He and I have worked together very well on the issue of tenement maintenance. Members will have received an email from me earlier, asking them to back a members’ business debate on proposals around that, and a number of members from different parties have already backed that. We need to move forward together on this very serious issue, and we can do that.

The bill’s introduction was rushed and it was not good enough, so some of us attempted to improve it at stage 2. We failed but, as I said earlier, the minister committed to working with some of us ahead of stage 3. I said at the time, kind of jokingly, that I would just have to trust him on that, but my trust has been repaid. The minister and his team have helped to craft amendments from me, Pam Duncan-Glancy and Miles Briggs. I thank him and his team for that.

As you are giving me extra time, Presiding Officer, I will quickly mention a few other members. Miles Briggs spelled out the impact of all this on residents. Mark Griffin mentioned the fires in Milan and Valencia and the general dangers of cladding. I was struck by a comment from Ariane Burgess, who said that we should have no more excuses and that it is time for action. She is absolutely right.

The bill is not perfect, but it is better than it was. At its heart, it gives ministers the

“Power to arrange remediation work”

that has been identified in a single building assessment report as

“being needed to eliminate or mitigate risks to human life that are ... created or exacerbated by the building’s external wall cladding system”.

Whether that involves the original developers or whether they have gone bust or disappeared does not matter, because the work needs to be done. We have to get rid of all dangerous cladding.

At their worst, the effects of fire can be tragic—as we saw at Grenfell—but they can also be life changing. Time will tell whether the bill will help to get dangerous cladding removed, but I will back it in order to give it the chance to do so.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-13190, in the name of Paul McLennan, on the Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill. I invite memb...
The Minister for Housing (Paul McLennan) SNP
I am delighted to open the stage 3 debate on the Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill. I am sure that we all recall the events of 14 June 2017. The...
Miles Briggs (Lothian) (Con) Con
I thank the Parliament’s clerks for their assistance with amendments to stage 3. I also pay tribute to and thank the Minister for Housing for the constructiv...
Mark Griffin (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I thank the members of the bill team and the minister for making themselves available to my Labour colleagues and me during the passage of the bill. I also t...
Ariane Burgess (Highlands and Islands) (Green) Green
The Scottish Government’s stated ambition for the bill is to accelerate the progress of the cladding remediation programme. It is good to see that the commit...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
I thank members for their efforts in successfully piloting the bill through Parliament. I also thank the staff, the clerks and the bill team. I am grateful t...
Willie Coffey (Kilmarnock and Irvine Valley) (SNP) SNP
I pay tribute to all my colleagues—committee members and other colleagues—who helped to steer and shape the Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill th...
Jeremy Balfour (Lothian) (Con) Con
I, too, add my congratulations to the committee, the minister and the Government for getting the bill to where it is today. The bill is better today than it ...
Richard Leonard (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
One month from today, 14 June, will mark seven years since the Grenfell tower fire, which claimed the lives of 72 people. That it has taken so long for the P...
Ariane Burgess Green
The Scottish Government’s stated ambition for the bill is to accelerate the progress of the cladding remediation programme. In closing the debate, I reiterat...
Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
It is a pleasure to close the debate for Scottish Labour. As we have heard, since the Grenfell tower tragedy, the Scottish Government has fallen behind the r...
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I will start my speech as I started my speech at stage 1, by remembering what started this all off. Others have said it, but I will repeat it. When Grenfell ...
Ben Macpherson (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (SNP) SNP
Like Mr Simpson, I want to see action as quickly as possible for my constituents. Does he agree that one of the many learning points on the issue, over the p...
Graham Simpson Con
I am disappointed in Ben Macpherson for that contribution. I normally agree with a lot of what he says, but to try to seek division between Governments on th...
Alasdair Allan (Na h-Eileanan an Iar) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Graham Simpson Con
I will. Can I have extra time, Presiding Officer?
Alasdair Allan SNP
I was merely muttering to myself, but I think that Ben Macpherson said the opposite of what Graham Simpson has characterised him as having said.
Graham Simpson Con
I will continue. In the previous session, I and others pressed the then housing minister, Kevin Stewart, for action. Jeremy Balfour mentioned that. However,...
Ben Macpherson SNP
Will Mr Simpson take another intervention?
Graham Simpson Con
I really am going to need extra time if I take another intervention.
The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
I can allow a little extra time.
Ben Macpherson SNP
I thank Mr Simpson for taking the intervention. I know from our work on tenements that he understands this point very well, but the fact that we have a diffe...
Graham Simpson Con
I thank Ben Macpherson for that intervention, but I say to him that it should not have taken seven years for us to get to this point. I think that he would a...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I call Paul McLennan to wind up—until 10 past 5, minister.
Paul McLennan SNP
For how long, Presiding Officer?
The Presiding Officer NPA
Until 5.10. 17:01
Paul McLennan SNP
First, I thank the bill team for its help and guidance, and I thank the wider cladding team. They have been a fantastic help to me, so I express my personal ...
The Presiding Officer NPA
That concludes the debate on the Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill.