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Meeting of the Parliament 09 October 2025

09 Oct 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Public Authorities (Fraud, Error and Recovery) Bill

The Scottish Greens have serious concerns about the Public Authorities (Fraud, Error and Recovery) Bill. The bill provides sweeping powers to investigate the bank accounts of those who claim social security, yet the DWP already has powers to tackle fraud. Concerns have been raised by disabled people’s organisations, Citizens Advice Scotland and even the banks themselves that people’s privacy rights will be further intruded on as a result of the changes. There has been no clear justification that the currently held powers are insufficient and that further change is needed.

The bill fails to distinguish between overpayment due to error on the part of the DWP or on the part of the recipient and overpayment due to fraud. Although some overpayments cannot reasonably be noticed by the recipient, the bill would allow unjust investigations and could result in the money that claimants depend on being withdrawn. It appears that the DWP has not learned its lesson from those who have been pushed into poverty by universal credit deductions.

Today’s LCM relates to clause 78 of and schedule 4 to the bill, as well as to clauses 90, 98 and 99, on non-benefit payments. With regard to clauses 90, 98 and 99, the memorandum notes:

“the UK Government has confirmed that there is no intent to use these powers in relation to devolved payments”

and that

“the provisions are not intended to interact with devolved functions and would relate to payments for which UK Government has responsibility.”

Although the current Government might not intend to do so, we are not comfortable simply taking the UK Government’s word for it, and who knows what a future UK Government may make of the powers? The Government could have explicitly exempted Scotland from the provisions, as it has from other parts of the bill, but it did not.

In bringing non-benefit payment into scope, the intent appears to be to apply investigatory powers to grants as well as to social security payments. However, the definition of non-benefit payment is extremely broad—a concern that is also noted in the memorandum.

For those reasons, as well as the wider concerns raised by the third sector, the Scottish Greens suggest that we do not grant legislative consent.

17:14  

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-19275, in the name of Shirley-Anne Somerville, on the legislative consent motion for the Public Authoriti...
The Cabinet Secretary for Social Justice (Shirley-Anne Somerville) SNP
This is an opportunity to speak to the motion in my name on legislative consent in respect of the Public Authorities (Fraud, Error and Recovery) Bill 2025. W...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I call Bob Doris on behalf of the Social Justice and Social Security Committee. 17:04
Bob Doris (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP) SNP
I will be brief, because this concerns a procedural issue. The Social Justice and Social Security Committee considered a legislative consent memorandum on ...
Alexander Stewart (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
The Parliament’s primary duty is to pass effective legislation, which, as members will agree, can be done only if there is effective scrutiny across the cham...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I am aware that members are finding this difficult to follow, but I think that they sometimes underestimate how clearly their voices are carrying. Mr Stewart...
Alexander Stewart Con
An LCM relating to the Public Authorities (Fraud, Error and Recovery) Bill was considered by the Finance and Public Administration Committee in spring 2025, ...
Michael Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Scottish Labour will support the legislative consent motion. It is absolutely right to say that the UK Government is seeking to update the welfare system and...
Lorna Slater (Lothian) (Green) Green
The Scottish Greens have serious concerns about the Public Authorities (Fraud, Error and Recovery) Bill. The bill provides sweeping powers to investigate the...
Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
I thank members for their contributions and point out that the motion that we are discussing could not be lodged until the UK Government tabled its amendment...
Bob Doris SNP
I am happy to put on the record that the Social Justice and Social Security Committee recommended the various provisions in the LCM to the chamber, based on ...
Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
The deputy convener makes a fair point about the time that the committee needs to scrutinise the legislation. Michael Marra touched on the industrial injuri...
The Presiding Officer NPA
That concludes the debate on the legislative consent motion for the Public Authorities (Fraud, Error and Recovery) Bill, which is United Kingdom legislation.