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Meeting of the Parliament 09 October 2025

09 Oct 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Public Authorities (Fraud, Error and Recovery) Bill
Stewart, Alexander Con Mid Scotland and Fife Watch on SPTV

The Parliament’s primary duty is to pass effective legislation, which, as members will agree, can be done only if there is effective scrutiny across the chamber and through committees.

The LCM before us relates to an important issue: fraud prevention. The Cabinet Secretary for Social Security and David Wallace attended the Finance and Public Administration Committee back in September. Every penny of public money that is lost to fraud is a penny taken from the hard-working taxpayers of Scotland—money that could be spent on our schools, hospitals or roads. Nurses, teachers and workers across Scotland deserve a Parliament that protects their contributions with unwavering diligence. We do not serve Scots by cutting corners or bypassing domestic processes. Regrettably, the process surrounding this consent motion has done that. For those reasons, the Scottish Conservatives will not support the legislative consent motion.

Fraud in the public sector does not just mean financial loss—it erodes public trust. When fraudsters exploit the system, they undermine the social contract that binds hard-working Scots to the services that they fund. The £36 million fraudulent benefit claim that was highlighted by an article in The Scotsman back in August is a stark reminder of the challenges that are being faced.

The Finance and Public Administration Committee recently sought answers from David Wallace from Social Security Scotland during his appearance before the committee on 16 September. His testimony was essential to members understanding our recovery of those funds. It was alarming to find that only 10 per cent of the funds lost to fraud in 2024-25 have been recovered. That is why the Scottish Conservatives agree with the principle of recovering wrongfully claimed funds and believe that the fraud-fighting toolkit must be modernised and strengthened.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-19275, in the name of Shirley-Anne Somerville, on the legislative consent motion for the Public Authoriti...
The Cabinet Secretary for Social Justice (Shirley-Anne Somerville) SNP
This is an opportunity to speak to the motion in my name on legislative consent in respect of the Public Authorities (Fraud, Error and Recovery) Bill 2025. W...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I call Bob Doris on behalf of the Social Justice and Social Security Committee. 17:04
Bob Doris (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP) SNP
I will be brief, because this concerns a procedural issue. The Social Justice and Social Security Committee considered a legislative consent memorandum on ...
Alexander Stewart (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
The Parliament’s primary duty is to pass effective legislation, which, as members will agree, can be done only if there is effective scrutiny across the cham...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I am aware that members are finding this difficult to follow, but I think that they sometimes underestimate how clearly their voices are carrying. Mr Stewart...
Alexander Stewart Con
An LCM relating to the Public Authorities (Fraud, Error and Recovery) Bill was considered by the Finance and Public Administration Committee in spring 2025, ...
Michael Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Scottish Labour will support the legislative consent motion. It is absolutely right to say that the UK Government is seeking to update the welfare system and...
Lorna Slater (Lothian) (Green) Green
The Scottish Greens have serious concerns about the Public Authorities (Fraud, Error and Recovery) Bill. The bill provides sweeping powers to investigate the...
Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
I thank members for their contributions and point out that the motion that we are discussing could not be lodged until the UK Government tabled its amendment...
Bob Doris SNP
I am happy to put on the record that the Social Justice and Social Security Committee recommended the various provisions in the LCM to the chamber, based on ...
Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
The deputy convener makes a fair point about the time that the committee needs to scrutinise the legislation. Michael Marra touched on the industrial injuri...
The Presiding Officer NPA
That concludes the debate on the legislative consent motion for the Public Authorities (Fraud, Error and Recovery) Bill, which is United Kingdom legislation.