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Meeting of the Parliament 09 October 2025

09 Oct 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Public Authorities (Fraud, Error and Recovery) Bill
Doris, Bob SNP Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn Watch on SPTV

I will be brief, because this concerns a procedural issue.

The Social Justice and Social Security Committee considered a legislative consent memorandum on the Public Authorities (Fraud, Error and Recovery) Bill in June. At that time, the Scottish Government advised us that it had not seen the full provisions of the bill until it was laid on 22 January and was consequently unable to meet the normal timings for lodging an LCM, which is important. Despite that, there was still time for the committee to scrutinise the LCM and come to a view on part of the provisions and we were able to recommend consent on that basis.

The Cabinet Secretary for Social Justice made us aware that, due to the on-going engagement that was required to understand whether the bill and its numerous amendments would impact on Scotland, she expected that there would be a requirement to lodge a supplementary LCM, which we now have before us. The committee was made aware that, as the LCM was lodged on Friday 3 October, there will be no time for the committee to consider it, because a decision on the motion is required ahead of the final amendment stage at Westminster, which is due to commence on 15 October.

That is clearly less than satisfactory. The legislative consent process reflects a key principle that underpins devolution: that the UK Parliament will not normally legislate on devolved matters or on changes to the boundaries of devolution without the Scottish Parliament’s consent. The parliamentary committees play a key role in scrutinising provisions in UK bills that legislate on devolved matters and in coming to a view on whether the Scottish Parliament should recommend consent. It is essential that committees are provided with sufficient time to carry out that scrutiny, irrespective of the merits of any individual LCM.

I very much hope that the Scottish Government will emphasise to the UK Government how important the scrutiny role of Scotland’s parliamentary committees is in considering LCMs in the future, in the hope that such situations do not occur again. However, in this instance, I can confirm that our committee agreed that the LCM should go directly to the chamber.

The Cabinet Secretary for Social Justice made us aware that, due to the on-going engagement that was required to understand whether the bill and its numerous amendments would impact Scotland, she expected that there would be a requirement to lodge a supplementary LCM, which we now have before us. The committee was made aware that, as the LCM was lodged on Friday 3 October, there would be no time for the committee to consider it, because a decision on the motion would be required ahead of the final amendment stage at Westminster, which is due to commence on 15 October. That is clearly less than satisfactory.

The legislative consent process reflects a key principle that underpins devolution: that the UK Parliament will not normally legislate on devolved matters or on changes to the boundaries of devolution without the Scottish Parliament’s consent. The parliamentary committees play a key role in scrutinising provisions in UK bills that legislate on devolved matters and in coming to a view on whether the Scottish Parliament should recommend consent. It is essential that committees are provided with sufficient time to carry out that scrutiny, irrespective of the merits of any individual LCM.

I very much hope that the Scottish Government will emphasise to the UK Government the importance of the scrutiny role of Scotland’s parliamentary committees in considering LCMs, so that such situations do not occur again. However, in this instance, I can confirm that our committee agreed that the LCM should go directly to the chamber.

17:06  

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer NPA
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-19275, in the name of Shirley-Anne Somerville, on the legislative consent motion for the Public Authoriti...
The Cabinet Secretary for Social Justice (Shirley-Anne Somerville) SNP
This is an opportunity to speak to the motion in my name on legislative consent in respect of the Public Authorities (Fraud, Error and Recovery) Bill 2025. W...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I call Bob Doris on behalf of the Social Justice and Social Security Committee. 17:04
Bob Doris (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP) SNP
I will be brief, because this concerns a procedural issue. The Social Justice and Social Security Committee considered a legislative consent memorandum on ...
Alexander Stewart (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
The Parliament’s primary duty is to pass effective legislation, which, as members will agree, can be done only if there is effective scrutiny across the cham...
The Presiding Officer NPA
I am aware that members are finding this difficult to follow, but I think that they sometimes underestimate how clearly their voices are carrying. Mr Stewart...
Alexander Stewart Con
An LCM relating to the Public Authorities (Fraud, Error and Recovery) Bill was considered by the Finance and Public Administration Committee in spring 2025, ...
Michael Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Scottish Labour will support the legislative consent motion. It is absolutely right to say that the UK Government is seeking to update the welfare system and...
Lorna Slater (Lothian) (Green) Green
The Scottish Greens have serious concerns about the Public Authorities (Fraud, Error and Recovery) Bill. The bill provides sweeping powers to investigate the...
Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
I thank members for their contributions and point out that the motion that we are discussing could not be lodged until the UK Government tabled its amendment...
Bob Doris SNP
I am happy to put on the record that the Social Justice and Social Security Committee recommended the various provisions in the LCM to the chamber, based on ...
Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
The deputy convener makes a fair point about the time that the committee needs to scrutinise the legislation. Michael Marra touched on the industrial injuri...
The Presiding Officer NPA
That concludes the debate on the legislative consent motion for the Public Authorities (Fraud, Error and Recovery) Bill, which is United Kingdom legislation.