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Meeting of the Parliament 08 October 2025

08 Oct 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Illegal Immigration

I will not even waste my time in attempting to address that point. Kevin Stewart needs to open his ears and listen up to what is actually being said.

Concerns are increasing in many Scottish communities. People can see that uncontrolled immigration is unsustainable. People know that foreign criminals should be sent packing. Those are not extreme positions, but the views of ordinary, mainstream Scotland—of sensible Scots who increasingly struggle to understand an out-of-touch, left-wing political class. People can see that unfettered immigration places increasing pressure on public services. Taxpayers who work hard but struggle to pay the bills while local services decline understand that. When SNP politicians accused Scots who are concerned about immigration of politicising the saltire, that was surely the day when irony died. To attack this debate—as I suspect many will do—will serve only to confirm how out of touch they really are.

I will say it again, loud and clear. The people in Scotland who have concerns about immigration are not racist. It is not racist to reject alien attitudes towards women or gay people. It is not racist to oppose cultural practices such as child marriage. It is not racist to expect or want immigrants to assimilate.

It is foolish and naive to nurture the idealistic notion that all immigration is good and welcome, yet in Scotland today, that is where many left-wing politicians appear to stand. Some of them want open borders. Some are blind to the misery of trafficked people. Some think that it is fine for migrants to leave a place of safety, such as France, to reach our shores.

We, the Scottish Conservatives, think differently. We believe that illegal migration is causing strain in our local communities and our nation’s finances. That is why I endorse Kemi Badenoch’s plan to withdraw from the European convention on human rights and deport those who come here illegally. That is the only credible way in which we can again take control of our borders. Those views are basic common sense. Such conversations are held around dinner tables, at football grounds, in community centres and in pubs.

I see the impact of mass migration on my home city of Glasgow, which now houses more asylum seekers than any other local authority area in the United Kingdom. Once an asylum seeker is granted leave to remain, they gain refugee status. At that point, they are the responsibility of the local council, which is required to house them, albeit only if they are categorised as priority need. However, the SNP abolished the priority need criteria in 2012. That means that every homeless refugee is entitled to a home in Scotland. In addition, 10 years later, in 2022, the SNP abolished what is known as the local connection rule. That means that those with refugee status do not need to have any local connection whatsoever to seek housing. Both of those SNP decisions have resulted in Scotland generally, and Glasgow specifically, becoming a prime destination.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-19252, in the name of Russell Findlay, on stopping illegal immigration and recognising its impact on hous...
Russell Findlay (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I am proud of Britain’s long history of immigration. I am proud of the strength and richness of our diversity. I am proud of our culture—decent, welcoming, t...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Russell Findlay Con
I would be delighted to do so if there is any guarantee of getting the time back.
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
We are tight for time. You will get some of it back, but not necessarily all of it.
Russell Findlay Con
Okay. I will take the intervention.
Daniel Johnson Lab
I welcome Russell Findlay’s comments about having a welcoming approach to people who come from other countries. However, would he endorse the statement that ...
Russell Findlay Con
What Mr Jenrick meant was that we want communities that are assimilated. We do not want people to be isolated or ghettoised. That is an entirely reasonable p...
Kevin Stewart (Aberdeen Central) (SNP) SNP
Will the member give way?
Russell Findlay Con
It is not racist to want to stop the boats: a treacherous trade that claims lives and enriches gangsters. I will take one more intervention, from Mr Stewart.
Kevin Stewart SNP
Language in rhetoric is very important in this debate. What we heard from Robert Jenrick is not good, as far as I am concerned. Trying—
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Please be brief, Mr Stewart.
Kevin Stewart SNP
Trying to brand all immigrants as criminals is wrong, too. Does the member accept that?
Russell Findlay Con
I will not even waste my time in attempting to address that point. Kevin Stewart needs to open his ears and listen up to what is actually being said. Concer...
Elena Whitham (Carrick, Cumnock and Doon Valley) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Russell Findlay Con
I am sorry, but I have no time remaining. Glasgow declared a housing emergency two years ago and it has a mountain of debt, which stands at £1.6 billion and...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
You need to wind up.
Russell Findlay Con
I end by saying it loud and clear: the public purse cannot afford this. It is unsustainable. That is not racist. It is not far right. It is simply right. I ...
The Cabinet Secretary for Housing (Màiri McAllan) SNP
I cannot say that I am pleased to open in this debate for the Government. The Conservatives brought a similar motion only four weeks ago, and on that day a n...
Russell Findlay Con
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Màiri McAllan SNP
I am not giving you one more second of our time. Members: Oh!
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Speak through the chair, cabinet secretary.
Màiri McAllan SNP
Secondly, the Conservatives misunderstand the rules on local connection. Let me explain those rules to them. The changes that were made in November 2022 only...
Russell Findlay Con
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention on that point?
Màiri McAllan SNP
I have already made it clear that I will not give the Conservatives a platform for one more moment—not on my watch. The Conservatives are wrong, they know th...
Craig Hoy (South Scotland) (Con) Con
What about the SNP Government?
Màiri McAllan SNP
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Russell Findlay Con
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention on that point?
Craig Hoy Con
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Màiri McAllan SNP
In closing, while continuing to ignore the Conservatives’ attempts for a greater platform, I want us to reflect on what has led us here—to the point where th...