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Meeting of the Parliament 02 October 2025 [Draft]

02 Oct 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Dog Theft (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

First, I congratulate Maurice Golden on getting his member’s bill this far. I know the hard work that it takes for a member and their team—dinnae forget the team—to research, create and implement new legislation and to work with the attentive and supportive non-Government bills unit team. In the previous parliamentary session, I lodged a member’s bill to update the 73-year-old livestock-worrying legislation, to increase the penalties and protections on behalf of farmers whose livestock are chased, attacked or killed by out-of-control dogs. Again, well done, Mr Golden.

I am a member of the Rural Affairs and Islands Committee, and I took part in the scrutiny of the bill at stage 1. I will be brief and will focus my comments on working dogs and data. There is an argument that dogs need statutory and separate recognition under the law. Stealing someone’s guide dog is not the same as stealing a television, and I agree with members about the emotional distress caused by theft and about the sentience of their animals. I have two border collies, Meg and Maya. Both are now 13 years old and still amazing and great company. Maya won the first Holyrood dog of the year competition, in 2017, when she was just four.

Working dogs are highly trained dogs, and these animals are also part of the emotional attachments of their owners and families. If members picked any farmer or crofter out of the tens of thousands and asked how important their dog is to their day-to-day work on the farm, they would hear why the proposals should, at the very least, be considered. Farm dogs have a unique dual role: they are there to help farmers with their livestock, but they are also part of the family and a source of companionship in a job that often involves long periods of solitude and remoteness.

I note that the Scottish Government has indicated scepticism about the provisions on working dogs in the bill, but I am keen to hear feedback from the member in charge or the Government on whether the issue is the complexity of the ownership of working dogs or something else. If the general principles of the bill are agreed to today, I would like to engage in more discussions about that during stage 2.

I would also like more clarity on the resource implications for the police and judicial services. There will be an increase in the burdens of record keeping, data analysis and storage, reporting, and training for those who are involved in implementing the new law, and we should see an estimate of the bottom line before we commit to the legislation. If we are to have a specific offence of dog theft in statute, I want our public services to have the time and resources that they will need to investigate and prosecute offenders.

It was interesting to hear about the current data collection practices, which are reflected in the committee’s stage 1 report. Paragraph 96 of the report notes that the policy memorandum highlights that

“there is currently no requirement for incidences, charges, prosecutions and convictions to be recorded specifically as ‘dog theft’”,

with the result that

“there is no reliable data on the extent of dog theft.”

The general view that was expressed by stakeholders is that it would be helpful if provisions in the bill improved the type of data that is collected, including data relating to any trends regarding specific breeds that are stolen.

In its submission to the committee, Police Scotland stated:

“The introduction of a standalone statutory offence of Dog Theft would not enhance accuracy of crime recording as the theft may be committed in commission of another crime”,

such as housebreaking. In that case, it would be

“recorded as Robbery or Theft by Housebreaking as opposed to dog theft.”

If the member’s bill is passed, the Scottish crime recording standard will need to be amended. However, the committee recommends that, even if the bill does not proceed, amending the crime recording standard would enable better collection of data on dog theft.

I am conscious of the time, Presiding Officer, so I will conclude. I will support the general principles of the bill at decision time this evening.

16:17  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-19121, in the name of Maurice Golden, on the Dog Theft (Scotland) Bill at stage 1. Members who wish to pa...
Maurice Golden (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I thank my team, as well as the parliamentary clerks and the additional member in charge of the bill, Christine Grahame. It is a privilege to stand here tod...
The Minister for Victims and Community Safety (Siobhian Brown) SNP
I thank Maurice Golden for his constructive engagement on the bill and the non-Government bills unit for all its continuing work on it. I also thank the Rura...
Finlay Carson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Con
I am pleased to speak on behalf of the Rural Affairs and Islands Committee about our stage 1 scrutiny of Maurice Golden’s Dog Theft (Scotland) Bill. Given th...
Jamie Halcro Johnston (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I welcome the opportunity to speak in the debate, and I congratulate my friend Maurice Golden on his dedication and commitment to highlighting this important...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
I acknowledge the work that Maurice Golden has put into the bill. Dog theft causes heartbreak for owners. Not only that, but it can be expensive to buy a dog...
Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green) Green
I acknowledge the hard work and effort that Maurice Golden, his team and stakeholders have put into getting the bill to this stage. It is not to be underesti...
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
I congratulate my colleague on his persistence in bringing forward the bill—I know what it takes. We have come a long way from when we, as the highest anima...
Finlay Carson Con
Given Ms Grahame’s experience of dog legislation, why does she believe that the Government is reluctant for working dogs to be included in the bill?
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I can give you the time back, Ms Grahame.
Christine Grahame SNP
It is up to us to persuade the Government. I am sure that, between us and the member in charge of the bill, we might make progress. I just put that down as a...
Rachael Hamilton (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con) Con
What strange conversations we have when we are discussing a bill involving furry creatures—Jamie Halcro Johnston has just shown me a picture of his black cat...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Thank you, Ms Hamilton. I feel confident that Jamie Halcro Johnston will not be sharing any further pet details with you in the future. 16:13
Emma Harper (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
First, I congratulate Maurice Golden on getting his member’s bill this far. I know the hard work that it takes for a member and their team—dinnae forget the ...
Richard Leonard (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I am pleased to speak in support of the principles contained in the Dog Theft (Scotland) Bill, and I commend Maurice Golden for bringing it to this stage. Th...
Christine Grahame SNP
Unfortunately for Richard Leonard, we have to look at the purpose of the bill. It is about dogs, so I am afraid that he cannot introduce another lot of anima...
Richard Leonard Lab
Well, I have just said that we also need to listen to our constituents and what they are telling us. We can deal with that matter at stage 2, perhaps. The p...
Elena Whitham (Carrick, Cumnock and Doon Valley) (SNP) SNP
I am speaking in support of the general principles of Maurice Golden’s Dog Theft (Scotland) Bill. In doing so, I will focus my remarks on whether to include ...
Rhoda Grant Lab
It has been an interesting debate. It is good to see so much agreement around the chamber about how the bill is viewed. Richard Leonard said that it is about...
Finlay Carson Con
Given Rhoda Grant’s position on the Rural Affairs and Islands Committee since the start of this parliamentary session, she will recognise that there were dis...
Rhoda Grant Lab
Yes, I think that that is a really good idea. Committee time is heavily constrained, so it is difficult to see how that could otherwise be done. The lack of ...
Christine Grahame SNP
As a cat lover, I want to correct what Rhoda Grant said. The saying is, “Dogs have owners. Cats have staff.”
Rhoda Grant Lab
That is indeed true. My cat tells me what I should do, not the other way round. I try to tell her what to do, but she does not listen. To be serious, and to...
Sue Webber (Lothian) (Con) Con
As a dog owner, I am pleased to close the debate for the Conservatives. Alfie makes my life complete. Since we brought him home in February three years ago, ...
Siobhian Brown SNP
We are a nation of animal lovers, and many of our households have or look after animals. Whether it is a goldfish or a horse, animals play a major role in ou...
Christine Grahame SNP
It is unfortunate that I did not remark on section 1(2) in my speech. That is a tricky section. As a former divorce lawyer, I assure members that parties wou...
Siobhian Brown SNP
I am totally sympathetic to the concerns raised by Elena Whitham. I am unsure whether this is the right bill to deal with that, but the issue could, perhaps,...
Elena Whitham SNP
I understand the narrow nature of a member’s bill, which, as the committee also suggested, might not be the right vehicle. However, although there are provis...
Siobhian Brown SNP
I am happy to take that away and meet the member to discuss the issue further. It might be something that the expert advisory group could look at; perhaps we...
Maurice Golden Con
I thank all members for their speeches. It has been a good debate. I welcome the level of engagement on the issue, and with the bill, from members across the...