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Meeting of the Parliament 01 October 2025 [Draft]

01 Oct 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Protecting Scotland’s Fire Service
Chapman, Maggie Green North East Scotland Watch on SPTV

I begin by paying tribute to all of Scotland’s firefighters—our fireys—who put themselves in harm’s way every day to protect us; to their families who live with the knowledge that, when their loved ones leave for work, they might not return; to the control room staff who stay on the phone for as long as it takes, even if that means to the end of someone’s life; and to the Fire Brigades Union, for its tireless work in defending not only its members but the communities that they serve.

The FBU is right when it says that cuts leave scars. That is not a slogan—it is the lived reality of communities up and down Scotland. That is why I will support Katy Clark’s motion.

Since the creation of the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service in 2013, we have lost more than 1,250 firefighter jobs. Pumps are off the run because there are too few firefighters to crew them safely. Response times have gone up from 6 minutes 51 seconds to more than 8 minutes, and, as every firefighter will tell you, those 90 seconds can mean the difference between life and death.

The changes that are proposed by the SFRS might not be framed as cuts, but that is how they are understood. We are not trimming fat—we are cutting into the muscle of our fire service, which will leave scars that will last for generations.

Let us be clear about the reality of the modern fire service. Firefighters are no longer dealing only with house fires and car accidents. They are tackling climate change on the front line, with more frequent and severe wildfires and devastating floods. They are stepping into medical emergencies. They are doing more, and they are willing to do even more, but we cannot and must not ask them to do more with less. Role expansion must be matched with proper resourcing, staffing and training; otherwise, it is nothing more than exploitation of their dedication.

The FBU’s “Firestorm” report, which was published in 2023, makes that case powerfully. It shows the risks that our communities face if we continue down the road of cuts and underfunding; it shows the scale of the challenge in an era of climate crisis; and it demands that we all listen to the evidence and act accordingly.

We must not forget the silent dangers that firefighters face. I have championed the FBU’s decon campaign, which highlights the risks of cancers and other diseases that are linked to contaminants on the job. Firefighters risk their lives in the moment of a blaze, but they also risk their long-term health every time that they put on contaminated kit. The least that we owe them is a workplace that does not poison them. That means investment in equipment, decontamination facilities and safety standards.

In my closing speech, I will speak about the potential impacts of the SFRS’s proposed changes to fire services in the North East Scotland region—in particular, the impact on the Balmossie community fire and ambulance station. For now, I will just say that closing Balmossie will increase response times to some communities.

Our firefighters are not asking for luxuries. They are asking for the tools, staffing and safety to do their jobs and to save our lives. They are asking us to value their lives as much as they value ours. Cuts do indeed leave scars on our firefighters, our communities and our collective safety. We must all work with the FBU and the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service to stop the cuts, guarantee safe crewing levels and invest in the fire service that Scotland deserves. We owe our firefighters not just gratitude but respect—and respect demands resources.

16:22  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-19124, in the name of Katy Clark, on protecting Scotland’s fire service. I invite members who wish to spe...
Katy Clark (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Scottish Labour has lodged the motion because the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service is in a state of crisis. The Fire Brigades Union Scotland has been warning...
Rachael Hamilton (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con) Con
Does the Labour Party believe that rural areas could be disproportionately affected by the proposals from the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service, because they ...
Katy Clark Lab
Rachael Hamilton makes her point well, and I agree. The plans that have been outlined would further damage the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service and add to t...
The Minister for Victims and Community Safety (Siobhian Brown) SNP
The Scottish Fire and Rescue Service, which has been a single national service since 2013, is one of Scotland’s success stories. We have a successful emergen...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
I join the minister in paying tribute to our firefighters, who do a wonderful job. However, in regions such as mine—the Highlands and Islands—less than 10 pe...
Siobhian Brown SNP
The bill that became the Police and Fire Reform (Scotland) Act 2012 was supported by Labour at the time. The reduction in the number of firefighters is prima...
Katy Clark Lab
Will the minister be addressing the concerning increases in response and call-handling times?
Siobhian Brown SNP
I will get to that. Climate change is contributing to warmer, drier conditions, which increase the likelihood and intensity of wildfires. As I said yesterda...
Sarah Boyack (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
Will the minister take an intervention?
Siobhian Brown SNP
I would like to make some progress. Continuing to keep everything the same for decades would not be efficient or effective and would not ensure that taxpaye...
Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the minister give way?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
The minister will be concluding shortly.
Siobhian Brown SNP
I must make some progress. The Scottish Fire and Rescue Service plans to redeploy resources that are freed up by making changes to front-line delivery to pr...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Minister, you need to bring your remarks to a close.
Siobhian Brown SNP
I conclude by saying something about response times—that is really important because, if anything about that is misconstrued, it can cause public fear. The S...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Minister, you need to conclude and move your amendment.
Siobhian Brown SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I will try to update Parliament more in my closing speech. I move amendment S6M-19124.2, to leave out from “expresses” to end ...
Sharon Dowey (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I thank Katy Clark for securing this important debate for the chamber. The Scottish Fire and Rescue Service is a life-saving organisation, which protects pe...
Siobhian Brown SNP
Will Sharon Dowey take an intervention?
Sharon Dowey Con
Would I get the time back, Presiding Officer?
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
There is no time in hand.
Sharon Dowey Con
I am sorry. Wildfires are on the rise. Newer developments such as recycling centres and battery energy storage systems also present a fresh challenge. Scotl...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I invite Maggie Chapman to open on behalf of the Scottish Greens. 16:18
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green
I begin by paying tribute to all of Scotland’s firefighters—our fireys—who put themselves in harm’s way every day to protect us; to their families who live w...
Liam McArthur (Orkney Islands) (LD) LD
I thank Katy Clark for lodging the motion for debate, which provides an opportunity to highlight the central role that the fire service plays in protecting c...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
We move to the open debate. 16:26
Richard Leonard (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
What is taking place in our communities is not a Scottish Fire and Rescue Service delivery review—it is an experiment, and it is one which, as a matter of pu...
Stuart McMillan (Greenock and Inverclyde) (SNP) SNP
This is an important debate. I took part in the public consultation and have informed my constituents that I do not support the proposals for Inverclyde. To ...
Liam Kerr Con
Will the member take an intervention?