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Meeting of the Parliament 01 October 2025 [Draft]

01 Oct 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Mobile Phones in Schools

I believe that it is time to ban mobile phones in all Scottish classrooms. We need to shield children from harmful content, misinformation, bullying and other social pressures and—as Pam Duncan-Glancy said—make the classroom a safe place in which to learn.

I was shocked to read that research by Ofcom indicates that a quarter of three and four-year-olds in the UK now have a smartphone and that, by the time they are 12, the percentage rises to 89 per cent. That is the current trend in society, and by the time children come to education, it is much harder for educators to control something that is going on outside.

With the rise in cyberbullying, our children are exposed to an unacceptable amount of danger. There is pressure on parents to provide smartphones—Willie Rennie was quite right to talk about peer pressure—and I think that that would dissolve to some extent if there was a ban on mobile phones in schools.

It would also take the pressure off headteachers themselves, although they would still have to deal with a minority of parents who may still want to keep phones in class. The Government appears to clearly support a ban as long as headteachers make the decision. That is what we are arguing over, and I think that it is a responsibility for Government. Given the trend that I talked about and the harm that is being done to children, it is a decision for Government to make.

I do not believe that such a decision would undermine the Education (Scotland) Act 1980 and the delivery of education by local government in any way whatsoever. The tech companies are incredibly powerful, and we know that there is a constant battle with them about social media content and a tension with the policies that we drive to reduce violence against women and girls. The tech companies’ algorithms drive people towards certain behaviours. One of my biggest reasons for supporting a ban on mobile phone use in schools is that an increasing body of data shows that being exposed to excessive social media is rewiring young brains during a critical window of their psychological development. That is my primary concern, and it always has been. I agree with Jenny Gilruth that we should listen to our headteachers, but we should also listen to our scientists. Their views are unequivocal and have been for a decade. I think that that is enough of a basis to say that we have a responsibility to impose a ban on mobile phones in schools.

The cabinet secretary is quite right that MSPs are some of the worst offenders, particularly during committee meetings—we know that. However, we are talking about children and the responsibility that we have towards them. That is why I am speaking in the debate. It is asking a lot of a child to ask them to navigate online content and to protect themselves. At some point in the future, I wonder whether those children will ask us why we did not act more strongly when we had the chance, and why we left it to them to make decisions about their use. Members may have noticed a recent survey of gen Z adults aged between 18 and 27, who have grown up with social media. Members can believe this or not, but the survey found that nearly half them wished that TikTok, Snapchat and Twitter—or X—had never been invented. That generation is already alive to the dangers of smart phone use.

In my final minute, or just under a minute, I want to touch on the wider harms that Patrick Harvie spoke about. He was quite right to say that, by banning mobile phones in schools, we will not reduce all the harm. However, we know that smartphones are used, especially by boys, for intimate image abuse, and that 12-year-olds are exposed to pornography on smartphones. It is as much about protecting boys as it is about protecting women and girls. Clearly, that is a wider issue, but much of that behaviour goes on in schools. For some time, I have been calling on the Government to collect data on what is going on in our schools, because England and Wales have done that. I hope that we will legislate further on what needs to be done to tackle the creation of that content and to teach children that that is unacceptable behaviour.

For those reasons, I believe that this generation expects the Government to take big decisions. I think that the time has come for there to be a national ban on mobile phones in our classrooms.

15:22  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-19123, in the name of Pam Duncan-Glancy, on mobile phones in schools. 14:52
Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Presiding Officer, “It helped me focus.” “Fights and bullying at breaks have got better—because no one has their phones in class to organise them.” “I spe...
The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (Jenny Gilruth) SNP
I am interested in the member’s point about a postcode lottery. In Scotland, the Education (Scotland) Act 1980 makes it clear that statutory responsibility f...
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
I draw the cabinet secretary’s attention to section 2 of the 1980 act, which has regulating-making powers for the Government in a wide range of areas. One ha...
Karen Adam (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
In the absence of the iPads that the SNP promised, where teachers want to use devices in lessons in schools where bans exist, teachers have the option to say...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
You do not really have time, Ms Duncan-Glancy.
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
I apologise to Karen Adam, but I cannot take her intervention. With a national ban, the default changes from phones first to learning first. That is what we...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I advise members that, as ever when there are two debates during the afternoon, we are pretty tight for time. There is not a lot of additional time. 15:00
The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (Jenny Gilruth) SNP
The Government agrees with the premise behind the Scottish Labour Party’s motion that mobile phones should be banned in our schools. The motion from Labour i...
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
The point that I made when I set out why we are proposing the motion is that you are leaving it up to headteachers to take a big decision on what goes on in ...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I say to the member, very gently, that it is quite clear in the national guidance that our headteachers are already empowered to carry out mobile phone bans....
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I am happy to do so.
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
We are not proposing primary legislation. What I said was that the cabinet secretary is the person who said that legislation was required. If you chose to do...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Always speak through the chair.
Jenny Gilruth SNP
As I have just intimated, whether or not it is primary legislation that is being proposed—I hear the member’s point in relation to regulations—I have to ask ...
Miles Briggs (Lothian) (Con) Con
I thank the Labour Party for holding a debate on mobile phone use in schools. The Scottish Conservatives held a similar debate in January this year, and I am...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
Pam Duncan-Glancy quoted young people welcoming the change of policy on phones in classrooms, and she talked about having a sensible boundary during lessons....
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
I think that there is agreement that the use of mobile phones in the class can be incredibly distracting. There is growing evidence from across the education...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
We move to the open debate. 15:18
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I believe that it is time to ban mobile phones in all Scottish classrooms. We need to shield children from harmful content, misinformation, bullying and othe...
Paul McLennan (East Lothian) (SNP) SNP
I thank Pam Duncan-Glancy for bringing the motion for debate in the chamber. Many of us have had casework on the issue over the past few years. East Lothian ...
Craig Hoy (South Scotland) (Con) Con
Some of the children whom I have spoken to in East Lothian and beyond say that they use their mobile devices in classrooms as a learning aid. Is the member e...
Paul McLennan SNP
No, I am not embarrassed. The Government has made good progress on that. We need to equip headteachers with guidance and with the means to act in the best i...
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
Will the member take an intervention on that point?
Paul McLennan SNP
I am sorry, but I only have four minutes, and I have already taken one intervention. The Government is now providing schools with comprehensive guidance on ...
Neil Bibby (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I welcome the opportunity to speak in support of Pam Duncan-Glancy’s motion, which calls for mobile phones to be banned for learners in school classrooms. We...
Stephen Kerr (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
How about that? A Government that is not distracted by manufacturing grievance all day long—that would be quite an improvement on the Government that we have...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
Will the member take an intervention?