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Meeting of the Parliament 01 October 2025 [Draft]

01 Oct 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Mobile Phones in Schools

Pam Duncan-Glancy quoted young people welcoming the change of policy on phones in classrooms, and she talked about having a sensible boundary during lessons. I welcome that, and I will support the motion, but it is disappointing that Labour does not support the Government amendment, which also seems sensible and balanced to me. It seems that Labour wants to present the idea of a simple blanket and uniform rule while still acknowledging the need for exceptions and individual reasons and acknowledging different circumstances. I agree that we need to recognise the autonomy of schools.

That being said, I support the motion and the Government’s amendment. The cabinet secretary said that Labour’s motion is missing something, but I think that both the motion and the amendment are missing something, because the debate is not just about distraction in class but about young people’s ability to learn to navigate an increasingly fraught, hostile and disturbing information landscape. Many aspects of today’s permanently online life do not stop when the school day ends—far from it. Young people face multiple issues, including bullying, targeted abuse against minorities, marketing, conspiracy theories and racist and far-right content—all beaming at them 24 hours a day through these devices. It is not accidental. It is built into the business models of social media platforms and others.

I cite the death of 23-year-old Paloma Shemirani. Paloma’s mother had been radicalised against science-based healthcare by that type of content, and that influence led Paloma to refuse chemotherapy that could have saved her life. Her story has become a tragic example of the way that social media platforms such as Instagram, TikTok and X have become sources of health information and disinformation, with millions of people—increasingly, young people—relying on them for advice and being misled.

Health conspiracies on other issues, such as anti-vaccine conspiracies and the promotion of fake treatments, also circulate. Recently, days after Donald Trump promoted dangerous rubbish about paracetamol and autism, a member of this Parliament echoed that baseless idea. Scotland is by no means immune.

Prejudice, racism, anti-migrant propaganda, homophobia and transphobia have been growing in intensity to the point that, even at the highest level of politics in the United Kingdom, there are politicians who openly debate whether black or brown people can ever be British, English or Scottish—ideas that, not so long ago, would have been the preserve of the British National Party. Much of that activity is promoted and even directly paid for by social media platforms—X, YouTube and others are paying people huge sums of money to produce it and then aggressively pushing it out to audiences, especially young people. That torrent of far-right and conspiracist propaganda is the information landscape that young people are growing up in. If phones are switched back on as soon as young people leave the classroom, they are still vulnerable.

I will back the motion and the Government amendment at decision time. The policy stance on phones in classrooms is fine as far as it goes, but I am not sure that the debate about whether it should be a blanket decision by a cabinet secretary or up to the autonomy of individual schools and headteachers is really where the issue is at. We must not allow that action to result in complacency about the wider issue—the world of abusive, bigoted, conspiracist and untrue content that we have all created and the impact that it is having on everyone, including the young people who are growing up on it.

A policy of no phones in classrooms is fine, but it will not end the need to take a far more robust approach to regulating social media and tackling the far-right and toxic culture warriors.

15:14  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-19123, in the name of Pam Duncan-Glancy, on mobile phones in schools. 14:52
Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Presiding Officer, “It helped me focus.” “Fights and bullying at breaks have got better—because no one has their phones in class to organise them.” “I spe...
The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (Jenny Gilruth) SNP
I am interested in the member’s point about a postcode lottery. In Scotland, the Education (Scotland) Act 1980 makes it clear that statutory responsibility f...
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
I draw the cabinet secretary’s attention to section 2 of the 1980 act, which has regulating-making powers for the Government in a wide range of areas. One ha...
Karen Adam (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
In the absence of the iPads that the SNP promised, where teachers want to use devices in lessons in schools where bans exist, teachers have the option to say...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
You do not really have time, Ms Duncan-Glancy.
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
I apologise to Karen Adam, but I cannot take her intervention. With a national ban, the default changes from phones first to learning first. That is what we...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I advise members that, as ever when there are two debates during the afternoon, we are pretty tight for time. There is not a lot of additional time. 15:00
The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (Jenny Gilruth) SNP
The Government agrees with the premise behind the Scottish Labour Party’s motion that mobile phones should be banned in our schools. The motion from Labour i...
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
The point that I made when I set out why we are proposing the motion is that you are leaving it up to headteachers to take a big decision on what goes on in ...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I say to the member, very gently, that it is quite clear in the national guidance that our headteachers are already empowered to carry out mobile phone bans....
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I am happy to do so.
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
We are not proposing primary legislation. What I said was that the cabinet secretary is the person who said that legislation was required. If you chose to do...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Always speak through the chair.
Jenny Gilruth SNP
As I have just intimated, whether or not it is primary legislation that is being proposed—I hear the member’s point in relation to regulations—I have to ask ...
Miles Briggs (Lothian) (Con) Con
I thank the Labour Party for holding a debate on mobile phone use in schools. The Scottish Conservatives held a similar debate in January this year, and I am...
Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
Pam Duncan-Glancy quoted young people welcoming the change of policy on phones in classrooms, and she talked about having a sensible boundary during lessons....
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
I think that there is agreement that the use of mobile phones in the class can be incredibly distracting. There is growing evidence from across the education...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
We move to the open debate. 15:18
Pauline McNeill (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I believe that it is time to ban mobile phones in all Scottish classrooms. We need to shield children from harmful content, misinformation, bullying and othe...
Paul McLennan (East Lothian) (SNP) SNP
I thank Pam Duncan-Glancy for bringing the motion for debate in the chamber. Many of us have had casework on the issue over the past few years. East Lothian ...
Craig Hoy (South Scotland) (Con) Con
Some of the children whom I have spoken to in East Lothian and beyond say that they use their mobile devices in classrooms as a learning aid. Is the member e...
Paul McLennan SNP
No, I am not embarrassed. The Government has made good progress on that. We need to equip headteachers with guidance and with the means to act in the best i...
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
Will the member take an intervention on that point?
Paul McLennan SNP
I am sorry, but I only have four minutes, and I have already taken one intervention. The Government is now providing schools with comprehensive guidance on ...
Neil Bibby (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I welcome the opportunity to speak in support of Pam Duncan-Glancy’s motion, which calls for mobile phones to be banned for learners in school classrooms. We...
Stephen Kerr (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
How about that? A Government that is not distracted by manufacturing grievance all day long—that would be quite an improvement on the Government that we have...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
Will the member take an intervention?