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Meeting of the Parliament 30 September 2025

30 Sep 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Housing (Scotland) Bill
Mountain, Edward Con Highlands and Islands Watch on SPTV

I have struggled with this housing bill because I have wanted to engage with it, but every time I have tried to engage, it has proved difficult.

At the stage 2 amendment stage, the relevant committee met on the same day as the committee that I am on, so I was unable to attend most meetings, although I managed to attend on a few occasions to try to speak to some amendments. However, the amendments that I did manage to lodge and that were debated and agreed on at the committee stage were promptly reversed when it came to stage 3. That is really hard to take when a member has worked hard on a bill.

I have also found it hard to be in the chamber and hear, in line with a point that Willie Rennie made, all landlords of rented accommodation being tarred with the same brush. I am not embarrassed to say that I am a landlord and that I provide good-quality houses for long-term homes—I do not do short-term lets. During the course of this meeting, we have heard landlords being described as “wolves” of the private sector, being accused of a lack of concern and being said to weasel their way out of things. We have heard about grotesque and ludicrous rents, but that is not something that I recognise in the sector that I have worked in for 30 years. In 99 per cent of cases, landlords want to provide a home and to have a long-term relationship with their tenants, because those relationships make it easier for everyone. They allow the house to be well looked after and the landlord and tenant to come to an agreement on areas where there may be issues. I am bitterly disappointed when I hear that sort of language about landlords being used in the Parliament.

I remind Ms Chapman, the member who used that language and who is here, that there are something like 300,000 private rented properties across Scotland. However she might view landlords, they help by providing homes for individuals who cannot afford to buy their own homes. This Parliament has made legislation in the past about rent increases, and I think that that has worked in most cases.

I must also allude to the fact that I lodged 69 amendments during the course of stage 3. I did that because I thought that they were necessary, so to hear comments about them being unnecessary, not appropriate or not the right approach to take, and to hear others say that they “cannot commit today” or “might talk later” or that they “support the principle” but cannot agree to the amendment actually makes a mockery of the process. I am in the chamber to try to make the bill better, but I do not think that I have managed to do that in any shape or form.

I say to the cabinet secretary that she should remember the results of a survey carried out recently by Safe Deposits Scotland and published while we were here this afternoon. That survey found that 33 per cent of landlords want to get out of letting properties—that is 100,000 houses that would be taken out of the rented sector. Some in the chamber would argue that those would become homes that people would be able to buy, but only 62 per cent of those homes would go into private ownership and not all would be affordable for the people who need to rent properties.

In the same item of business

The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
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The Cabinet Secretary for Housing (Màiri McAllan) SNP
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Meghan Gallacher (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
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Mark Griffin (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
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Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green
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Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
I praise the clerks and officials for their talent, their tolerance of this Parliament and their stamina. Their stamina has been outstanding throughout what ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
We move to the open debate. 20:46
Alasdair Allan (Na h-Eileanan an Iar) (SNP) SNP
As someone who frequently raises the issue of affordable housing in relation to my constituency, I am pleased to speak in support of the Housing (Scotland) B...
Edward Mountain (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
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Màiri McAllan SNP
Will the member accept an intervention?
Edward Mountain Con
Do I have time, Presiding Officer?
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
There is no time in hand.
Edward Mountain Con
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Davy Russell (Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse) (Lab) Lab
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Jeremy Balfour (Lothian) (Ind) Ind
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Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Reform) Reform
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The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
We move to closing speeches. 21:02
Ariane Burgess (Highlands and Islands) (Green) Green
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Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Deputy Presiding Officer, I apologise for the interruption earlier. I was looking for a figure on my phone, but when clicking on the message with the answer ...
Alexander Stewart (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
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The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I would discourage members on the front bench from repeatedly heckling in that way. 21:14
Màiri McAllan SNP
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Meghan Gallacher Con
I am astonished that the cabinet secretary has made that statement, to be frank. If members consider what I have said and what the Scottish Conservatives hav...
Màiri McAllan SNP
However much Meghan Gallacher tries to explain it away, the Conservatives have completely undermined any credibility that they remotely had on impacting home...
Edward Mountain Con
Absolute nonsense.
The Presiding Officer (Alison Johnstone) NPA
Let us hear one another.
Màiri McAllan SNP
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The Presiding Officer NPA
Let us hear one another.
Màiri McAllan SNP
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The Presiding Officer NPA
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