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Meeting of the Parliament 30 September 2025

30 Sep 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Housing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3

The cabinet secretary seems to be saying that amendments 309 to 312 and 329 are not required, because the bill will require that landlords adopt a domestic abuse policy and that the rights set out in the amendments are likely to be included in such policies. Of course, those specific rights might be included, but they also might not be.

The purpose of those amendments is—as, indeed, the purpose of the bill should be—to ensure that those rights are definitely in law and that we are not reliant on individual social landlords up and down Scotland to develop their own policies that might or might not include them.

I very much hope that the amendments will be agreed to today, or that social landlords are listening and that they will ensure that such rights are put into any policies that are developed, because we have to ensure that individual tenants who are subjected to domestic abuse have those protections.

I welcome the fact that the cabinet secretary will come forward with regulations by Christmas to deal with what is in the first part of my amendment 328. She has indicated that she might have concerns about the second part of it and that she plans to come forward with regulations relating to the points that it raises. I would be grateful if I received an assurance from the cabinet secretary that she has the statutory basis for doing that and that the regulations will fully encompass the points that are being raised.

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We need the law and the policy to give the necessary protections to those who stay at home when they are subjected to domestic abuse as well as to those who decide that they have to leave. The cabinet secretary has stated on a number of occasions, including in writing to me, that the Scottish Government’s position is that victims should have protections to be able to stay. Equally, we need to ensure that we have the housing rights in place for situations where victims who have been subjected to domestic abuse feel, for whatever reason, that they have to leave.

That is the scenario that amendment 328 attempts to deal with. It has been drafted to address a gap in the law that has been highlighted by many social landlords, many campaigners on the rights of women who have been subjected to domestic abuse, and those who work in the housing sector. I urge the cabinet secretary to look at the matter again. She has said that she will not be able to support the amendment, but I hope that, in any process, she will ensure that there are no gaps, because that is the issue that is being brought to me and many other members. My concern is that, because of the way in which the bill is drafted, it will not enable us to close all the gaps that clearly exist for women who are in this situation.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is stage 3 proceedings on the Housing (Scotland) Bill. In dealing with the amendments, members should have the bill as amended at s...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
We have reached group 19, which is on housing and homelessness: supporting persons experiencing etc abuse. Amendment 309, in the name of Katy Clark, is group...
Katy Clark (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I will speak to amendment 309 and my other amendments in the group. Amendment 309 would require relevant bodies to ask individuals who they have reason to be...
The Cabinet Secretary for Housing (Màiri McAllan) SNP
I will begin by addressing Katy Clark’s amendments 309 and 310, which would oblige the relevant body to ask “whether the person is homeless or threatened wi...
Kevin Stewart (Aberdeen Central) (SNP) SNP
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Màiri McAllan SNP
Speaking of interests, I will absolutely take Mr Stewart’s intervention.
Kevin Stewart SNP
I thank the cabinet secretary for taking my intervention. I am very pleased to hear her say that the Domestic Abuse (Protection) (Scotland) Act 2021 will be ...
Màiri McAllan SNP
I am very happy to give that assurance to Kevin Stewart, because I know the import that he places on those matters. I hope that he, and other members, see th...
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Màiri McAllan SNP
Yes, I will.
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Please be brief.
Maggie Chapman Green
I understand what the cabinet secretary is saying, but given that, as we have discussed in relation to other legislation, including legislation that we passe...
Màiri McAllan SNP
I understand entirely the point that Maggie Chapman puts to me, but I am afraid that I cannot commit today to putting that into primary legislation, because ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I call Maggie Chapman to speak to amendment 327 and other amendments in the group.
Maggie Chapman Green
I am grateful for the work that I know the cabinet secretary has done with Scottish Women’s Aid. Because of that work, I will not move amendment 327. I have...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I call Meghan Gallacher to speak to amendment 111 and the other amendments in the group.
Meghan Gallacher (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
It is good to begin today’s housing bill proceedings on a positive note. I thank the previous cabinet secretary, Shirley-Anne Somerville, and Màiri McAllan f...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I call Katy Clark to wind up and to press or withdraw amendment 309.
Katy Clark Lab
The cabinet secretary seems to be saying that amendments 309 to 312 and 329 are not required, because the bill will require that landlords adopt a domestic a...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
To clarify, are you pressing amendment 309?
Katy Clark Lab
I press my amendment.
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
The question is, that amendment 309 be agreed to. Are we agreed? Members: No.
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
There will be a division. As this will be the first division of the stage 3 proceedings today, I suspend the meeting for around five minutes, to allow member...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
We will proceed with the division on amendment 309, in the name of Katy Clark. The vote is closed.
The Cabinet Secretary for Health and Social Care (Neil Gray) SNP
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. I could not connect to the app. I would have voted no.
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Thank you, Mr Gray. I will ensure that that is recorded. For Balfour, Jeremy (Lothian) (Ind) Bibby, Neil (West Scotland) (Lab) Briggs, Miles (Lothian) (C...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
The result of the division is: For 48, Against 58, Abstentions 0. Amendment 309 disagreed to. Amendment 310 moved—Katy Clark.
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
The question is, that amendment 310 be agreed to. Are we agreed? Members: No.
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
There will be a division. The vote is closed. I call Angus Robertson for a point of order.
The Cabinet Secretary for Constitution, External Affairs and Culture (Angus Robertson) SNP
I am sorry, Presiding Officer, but I wanted to make a point of order for the previous vote. I would have voted no in the previous vote, but I have taken part...