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Meeting of the Parliament 18 September 2025

18 Sep 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

I am delighted to speak on behalf of the Finance and Public Administration Committee. As members know, the SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee was established by the Parliament in response to the FPA Committee’s “Report on Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape: A Strategic Approach”, which was published on 16 September last year.

One year on, we see the culmination of a comprehensive piece of work by the two committees, and I pay tribute to Ben Macpherson and his team for completing the report by June this year, as requested by the FPA Committee. My colleagues and our excellent clerking team, roared on by the SPCB, put in a huge amount of work in preparing our initial report, and I thank them for that. I am confident that our work will bring real and substantive change in creating a more strategic and coherent commissioner landscape that is fit for the future.

I will revisit some of the concerns that prompted our inquiry back in December 2023 and comment on how we approached our work and arrived at our findings. I will also reflect on the review committee’s report, which the FPA Committee unanimously endorses.

Our inquiry followed concerns that a growing number of proposals to create advocacy or rights-based commissioners could lead to the SPCB-supported body landscape almost doubling in size by the end of the current session of Parliament. That would have significant implications for the SPCB and the overall Scottish Parliament budget. The committee wanted to establish the extent to which a more coherent and strategic approach to creating and developing SPCB-supported bodies was needed and, if it was needed, how that might be achieved. We therefore sought to establish how the model was working in practice and the drivers for the increased number of proposals to create new commissioners. Possible alternative models were also considered, as was the case for a review.

We found that experiences of and frustration with public service delivery failures are reasons given for supporting the establishment of new advocacy or rights-based SPCB-supported bodies. Others felt the need for a champion to represent particular groups in society who might feel overlooked. There was strong evidence of overlap between and duplication of commissioners’ work in the wider public sector, and accountability and scrutiny mechanisms were found to be wanting.

Interestingly, in evidence to the committee, former Labour MSP David Stewart and former Scottish National Party MSP Alex Neil both said that, having pursued the establishment of commissioners during the previous session of Parliament, they no longer considered that to be the best way forward. The FPA Committee therefore unanimously concluded that it was time to pause and take stock before any new bodies were added to an already complex and disjointed landscape.

We asked the Parliament to agree to a root-and-branch review being carried out by a dedicated committee similar to the Review of SPCB Supported Bodies Committee, which was set up in 2008. The purpose of the review was to design a clear strategic framework to underpin the landscape and provide more coherence and structure to it. It would also aim to enable more effective accountability and scrutiny mechanisms to improve delivery outcomes and value for money.

We are grateful to the Parliament for establishing the review committee and for agreeing to a moratorium on the creation of new SPCB-supported bodies or the expansion of the remits of existing bodies while the review was under way. The FPA Committee is pleased that the review committee built on the evidence that we received, with its report echoing many of our findings. It is also important that, in doing so, it met the ambitious reporting timescale of June this year, showing us all—including the Government—that it is possible to produce excellent work by set deadlines.

We share the review committee’s key finding that the SPCB-supported body landscape should not be expanded to include new advocacy-type commissioners. Indeed, the FPA Committee’s report concluded that that trend is not sustainable and that

“this advocacy role is for MSPs to undertake, with Parliament holding Government to account on how it seeks to improve the lives of specific groups of society or develop and deliver effective policy, with the third sector continuing to play a crucial role.”

Our report went on to state:

“We also believe that the funding for new supported bodies would be better spent on improving the delivery of public services ‘on the ground’, where greater impact can be made.”

The FPA Committee agrees with the recommendations to enhance and formalise criteria for creating new SPCB-supported bodies, including that that must happen only as a last resort when all other models and approaches have been exhausted.

We also agree that a parliamentary committee should be given specific responsibility for the accountability and scrutiny of SPCB-supported bodies for a fixed period of time, as a pilot exercise. That is a sound suggestion. It is clear that the current model of governance and scrutiny is not working, so it is time to try something new in the next session.

As the committee that is responsible for public service reform, we share the review committee’s view that SPCB-supported bodies could and should do more to adopt a more proactive and preventative approach. We whole-heartedly agree that such an approach would not only enhance the effectiveness of the bodies but help to avoid failures in public service delivery and complaints being made in the first place.

Many of the recommendations, such as the sharing of services and offices, could easily apply to the wider public sector. We therefore welcome the Scottish Government’s commitment to carry out, as part of its reform programme, a strategic mapping exercise to identify the functions of all Scottish public bodies and where those functions overlap. The review committee rightly pointed out that that would be helpful in informing decisions on future size, structure, and coherence across the public sector.

Given the unanimity of both committees, the Labour amendment is deeply disappointing. Some months ago, Martin Whitfield circulated a paper calling for parliamentary committees to be respected and strengthened, but now he calls on the Parliament to ignore—no doubt for cynical reasons of internal party management—the unanimous view of two committees following two years of hard work. That is shameful.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-18936, in the name of Ben Macpherson, on behalf of the SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee, ...
Ben Macpherson (Edinburgh Northern and Leith) (SNP) SNP
As convener of the SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee, I am pleased to open the debate. The strategic review was commissioned by the Parliamen...
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
Given that the findings were unanimous and followed on from the unanimous findings of the Finance and Public Administration Committee, does the member agree ...
Ben Macpherson SNP
I do, and I urge Parliament not to support the amendment. I will say more about that in due course. Before I turn to the detail of our deliberations and our...
John Mason (Glasgow Shettleston) (Ind) Ind
Ben Macpherson talks about the existing landscape, but does he accept that, for most people, having a standards commission and a commissioner for ethical sta...
Ben Macpherson SNP
In some ways, I can see why members and others might look at the distinction between the two bodies critically. However, our committee heard quite good evide...
Martin Whitfield (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Only yesterday, in passing the Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill at stage 3, we brought into existence the role of victims and witnesses...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I can give you the time back for interventions, Mr Macpherson.
Ben Macpherson SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I thank Martin Whitfield for a constructive intervention. The committee took into consideration the processes that were put fo...
Sarah Boyack (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
I think that the committee’s report is a must-read for all MSPs. Although we lodged an amendment to the motion, Scottish Labour welcomes and notes the report...
John Mason Ind
Will the member give way?
Sarah Boyack Lab
I will not because I am very tight for time—perhaps, if I have time later, I will. The recommendations on induction and training in the next session of the ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Thank you, Ms Boyack. I advise members that we have a bit of time in hand, so I imagine that members will be able to get the time back for any interventions....
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I am speaking today as a member of the Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body. I begin by thanking the SPCB Supported Bodies Lan...
Martin Whitfield Lab
Is the SPCB concerned that, if a new committee is created to, in effect, apply the two tests for a new commissioner, the SPCB would be required to give evide...
Maggie Chapman Green
I will come on to say more about the potential new committee in a moment. The corporate body wants to ensure that the office-holder landscape is coherent and...
Ben Macpherson SNP
As a point of clarity, it is worth emphasising that the committee’s recommendation was not necessarily that a new committee be established. That was a potent...
Maggie Chapman Green
Yes, that is understood, and that is why I couched my comments in such a way as to refer to what would happen should that committee be established. However, ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
I call Kenneth Gibson to speak on behalf of the Finance and Public Administration Committee. 15:48
Kenneth Gibson (Cunninghame North) (SNP) SNP
I am delighted to speak on behalf of the Finance and Public Administration Committee. As members know, the SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee w...
Martin Whitfield Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Kenneth Gibson SNP
I am happy to take an intervention from the defender of the committee structures.
Martin Whitfield Lab
I have great respect for Kenneth Gibson, but I find his comment about an amendment to a motion—albeit on the back of a committee debate, which was occasioned...
Kenneth Gibson SNP
That is desperate stuff. Let us be honest: if the member’s colleague who is sat next to him, Sarah Boyack, did not have a proposal to create a commissioner, ...
The Minister for Public Finance (Ivan McKee) SNP
I welcome the SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee’s report and recommendations on how the SPCB-supported bodies landscape can be improved. It is...
Stephen Kerr (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
For clarity, and bearing in mind Kenny Gibson’s comment about how a deadline helps to get things delivered, when is the deadline for that work to be completed?
Ivan McKee SNP
Stephen Kerr is absolutely right. He should be aware that there are 18 workstreams across the PSR strategy, and we have spent the summer putting together the...
John Mason Ind
I take the minister’s point—he has said it before, and he is absolutely right—that that is a relatively small amount of money in the scheme of things. Howeve...
Ivan McKee SNP
John Mason makes that point very well. I acknowledged at the start of my contribution that the debate has much wider significance across the public service r...
Martin Whitfield Lab
With regard to the concept of a human rights commissioner, will the Scottish Government follow the process that it has taken with the victims and witnesses c...