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Meeting of the Parliament 11 September 2025

11 Sep 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Exports

I am pleased to be speaking in my eighth debate this week—it has been quite a week. I will try to stick to exports and not confuse it with any of the other topics that we have spoken about.

This is quite a good debate. Thursday afternoon slots are not always well occupied, but this slot—the graveyard slot in the Parliament—is a good one, because it gives us a chance to air issues such as this one in a constructive and often good-humoured manner.

As has been said, Scotland’s exports are some of the finest in the world. We talk about that often, particularly in cross-party groups that have an interest. Whisky and salmon often come up when we meet people overseas and talk about great Scottish products. However, over the years, I have tried to look beyond the traditional Scottish exports of tartan and tweed and look at some of our emerging markets.

Scotland is leading the way in many markets. Undoubtedly, financial services—our expertise and product—is one of our biggest exports. We do not talk about life sciences often. Perhaps it has had a controversial past, but the pharmaceutical industry and other such industries are doing incredibly well in the west of Scotland, too. Our space and satellite industry is another booming area that we should be very proud of. We are producing—and soon we will be launching—satellites that are smaller than a microwave. All that ingenuity originated in Scotland, and that manufacturing is going on in Scotland as well. It should be exported, but not enough of that is happening.

Then there is our green energy production. Some of our experts are going all over the world on business-class flights to teach people in other countries how best to manage offshore wind, carbon storage and capture and battery technology. We should be leading the way in hydrogen and in other forms of renewable energy. Again, there is so much potential in that area, but the conversation too often focuses on the one or two big-ticket items—although I have nothing against the oil and gas industry.

Let us look at some other industries, such as gaming, animation and film production. Those industries are booming, too. Just across the street from the Parliament, there is a company that has done incredibly well in the gaming industry, and parts of Scotland are growing in the media landscape with Hollywood film studios producing films here.

All that is to be admired and acknowledged, because those businesses have got on with it without the intervention of Government. We have talked a lot already this afternoon about where we need the Government to intervene on failing businesses, but those businesses tend to be the businesses of old, the industries of old and the technologies of old.

A small country such as Scotland has an opportunity to be at the forefront—the avant-garde—of new and emerging technologies. That means having a Government strategy—and a strategy is not the same thing as spin. I agree with quite a lot of what is in the Government motion, but it does not contain a huge amount of substance on the wider strategy. There has already been some critique about those lovely coloured-in documents, as Murdo Fraser referred to them.

Businesses are looking for two things from their Government. One is a wider strategy, because a strategy in one sector has to be part of a much bigger picture. It also has to fit in with the transport and infrastructure strategy, the digital connectivity strategy and the energy strategy. How do we keep companies’ costs down as best we can? It needs to sit in the round and be part of the whole.

I will talk about whisky exports, because we have talked a little bit about trade deals, and I want to mention them. We are facing international headwinds. There are things outside of the SNP Government’s control—I understand that—and there are even things outside of the UK Labour Government’s control. We are in an extremely volatile world market. Costs are rising and we are affected by decisions that are being made by other politicians thousands of miles away. When I speak to businesses that export, the two big things that they say they face are rising insurance costs and shipping costs. We all know what is happening in the Red Sea. We have to face up to and work together on those international out-of-control things.

The other thing that I hear from businesses is that what they are absolutely sick and tired of is both of Scotland’s Governments being at constant loggerheads with each other. I understand that some good cross-party working is taking place behind the scenes, but businesses want to see Government ministers from Scotland and Westminster going out into the world hand in hand to say publicly that Scotland is open for business.

There has been a little bit of critique of the six-point export plan, which feels a bit more like a relaunch.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-18795, in the name of Kate Forbes, on supporting Scottish exports in response to global uncertainty. 15:27
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Economy and Gaelic (Kate Forbes) SNP
Scotland is a trading nation. We have a long and rich history of producing goods and services that are highly regarded and sought-after across the world. Man...
Craig Hoy (South Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the minister take an intervention?
Kate Forbes SNP
I have high hopes for a well-informed debate that looks at all the issues this afternoon, starting with Craig Hoy.
Craig Hoy Con
I thank the minister for giving way and I welcome her commitment to global free trade. Can she therefore point to a single global free trade agreement that h...
Kate Forbes SNP
The member will recall how warmly I welcomed the India free trade agreement and how strongly I commended it because of the opportunities for growth, in parti...
Stephen Kerr (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I hate to disappoint the Deputy First Minister, but if she looks at the robust performance of British business in terms of exports to the EU from 2015 to 202...
Kate Forbes SNP
That cues me up very nicely to commend the results from Scottish Enterprise-supported businesses last year. Scottish Enterprise supported £2.46 billion in pl...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
I am very grateful to the Deputy First Minister for giving way—she is always very generous in that way. The original paper “A Trading Nation: a plan for gro...
Kate Forbes SNP
If it is okay to do so, I will come on to talk about “A Trading Nation” and will set out a little more of the details. Our analysis has shown that, as a res...
Stephen Kerr Con
No wonder—it was during Covid.
Kate Forbes SNP
I hear the member saying, “No wonder”. I think that that makes the point that it was—
Stephen Kerr Con
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Kate Forbes SNP
I am four minutes in and that would be the fourth intervention, so I will keep going. We can all agree that exporters need additional support, and we are pr...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I can give you a bit more time.
Kate Forbes SNP
Thank you. I am very confident that Scotland and our exporters have the capacity, potential and ambition to continue to take advantage of the shifting oppo...
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I remind members of my entry in the register of members’ interests—specifically in relation to the hospitality that I have received from the Scotch Whisky As...
Daniel Johnson Lab
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Murdo Fraser Con
Absolutely. Indeed, Mr Johnson has pre-empted my very next sentence, because I was about to talk about Babcock in Rosyth, which is part of the area that I re...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
As colleagues will have picked up on, we have a bit of time in hand, so members will get time back for any interventions and probably latitude over and above...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
Thank you, Deputy Presiding Officer—I always enjoy a bit of latitude. Given the rekindled enthusiasm for independence that we have seen from the Government ...
Kenneth Gibson (Cunninghame North) (SNP) SNP
Actually, first, I thank Daniel Johnson for taking an intervention. Today’s Financial Times reported that US pharmaceutical giant Merck has cancelled a £1 bi...
Daniel Johnson Lab
Kenny Gibson’s party seeks to introduce new frontiers and barriers. It is very difficult to talk about stability and certainty from the position of the SNP b...
Daniel Johnson Lab
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Kate Forbes SNP
I apologise that I failed to respond to Daniel Johnson’s intervention. He just cited 21 per cent, but I was going to go with 20 per cent, so it is currently ...
Daniel Johnson Lab
I would be grateful for that. I say to the Deputy First Minister that there might well be interesting phenomena and dynamics—or even initiatives—but we have ...
Jamie Greene (West Scotland) (LD) LD
I am pleased to be speaking in my eighth debate this week—it has been quite a week. I will try to stick to exports and not confuse it with any of the other t...
Kate Forbes SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Jamie Greene LD
I will be happy to, in a second. The target was to increase the value of international exports to 25 per cent of GDP by 2029. Of course, we took a hit on ex...
Kate Forbes SNP
I should have made this intervention in Daniel Johnson’s speech. We published a formal review of the export strategy in 2023. I want to clarify that, today, ...