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Meeting of the Parliament 11 September 2025

11 Sep 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Exports
Johnson, Daniel Lab Edinburgh Southern Watch on SPTV

Kenny Gibson’s party seeks to introduce new frontiers and barriers. It is very difficult to talk about stability and certainty from the position of the SNP benches.

The document “A Trading Nation”, which was published in 2019, was important. It was a serious bit of work, and it sought to set out clear steps. That is why I was genuinely surprised when I saw the latest update, because it has more maps in it than numbers. That is a problem.

In the 2019 document, which came after Brexit, there was a clear articulation of what had to happen. The strategy sought to increase from 11,000 the number of jobs that are derived from exporting, but there has been no update on that number. It sought to integrate Scottish Development International with the rest of the business support regime, including Business Gateway. To be fair, I thought that the Deputy First Minister set out some useful things in her speech, but we could use more clarity about how that integration will be carried forward. The strategy discussed expanding the GlobalScot network to 2,000, which is another bit of information that it would be useful to get a progress update on. Furthermore, a ministerial trade board was set up but, unfortunately, it met most recently 18 months ago, as far as I can tell.

If the Government is serious about trade, it has to be serious about the progress that it is making against what was a substantial bit of work. As I alluded to in my intervention on the Deputy First Minister, on page 13 of the 2019 document, under “Monitoring and evaluation”, the bottom line is very clearly set out, and it says that the approach sought to increase exports as a proportion of gross domestic product to 25 per cent.

Kate Forbes rose

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-18795, in the name of Kate Forbes, on supporting Scottish exports in response to global uncertainty. 15:27
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Economy and Gaelic (Kate Forbes) SNP
Scotland is a trading nation. We have a long and rich history of producing goods and services that are highly regarded and sought-after across the world. Man...
Craig Hoy (South Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the minister take an intervention?
Kate Forbes SNP
I have high hopes for a well-informed debate that looks at all the issues this afternoon, starting with Craig Hoy.
Craig Hoy Con
I thank the minister for giving way and I welcome her commitment to global free trade. Can she therefore point to a single global free trade agreement that h...
Kate Forbes SNP
The member will recall how warmly I welcomed the India free trade agreement and how strongly I commended it because of the opportunities for growth, in parti...
Stephen Kerr (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I hate to disappoint the Deputy First Minister, but if she looks at the robust performance of British business in terms of exports to the EU from 2015 to 202...
Kate Forbes SNP
That cues me up very nicely to commend the results from Scottish Enterprise-supported businesses last year. Scottish Enterprise supported £2.46 billion in pl...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
I am very grateful to the Deputy First Minister for giving way—she is always very generous in that way. The original paper “A Trading Nation: a plan for gro...
Kate Forbes SNP
If it is okay to do so, I will come on to talk about “A Trading Nation” and will set out a little more of the details. Our analysis has shown that, as a res...
Stephen Kerr Con
No wonder—it was during Covid.
Kate Forbes SNP
I hear the member saying, “No wonder”. I think that that makes the point that it was—
Stephen Kerr Con
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Kate Forbes SNP
I am four minutes in and that would be the fourth intervention, so I will keep going. We can all agree that exporters need additional support, and we are pr...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I can give you a bit more time.
Kate Forbes SNP
Thank you. I am very confident that Scotland and our exporters have the capacity, potential and ambition to continue to take advantage of the shifting oppo...
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I remind members of my entry in the register of members’ interests—specifically in relation to the hospitality that I have received from the Scotch Whisky As...
Daniel Johnson Lab
I agree with the member about the importance of defence contracts. Does he agree that we need to extend every possible support to Babcock in its efforts to e...
Murdo Fraser Con
Absolutely. Indeed, Mr Johnson has pre-empted my very next sentence, because I was about to talk about Babcock in Rosyth, which is part of the area that I re...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
As colleagues will have picked up on, we have a bit of time in hand, so members will get time back for any interventions and probably latitude over and above...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
Thank you, Deputy Presiding Officer—I always enjoy a bit of latitude. Given the rekindled enthusiasm for independence that we have seen from the Government ...
Kenneth Gibson (Cunninghame North) (SNP) SNP
Actually, first, I thank Daniel Johnson for taking an intervention. Today’s Financial Times reported that US pharmaceutical giant Merck has cancelled a £1 bi...
Daniel Johnson Lab
Kenny Gibson’s party seeks to introduce new frontiers and barriers. It is very difficult to talk about stability and certainty from the position of the SNP b...
Daniel Johnson Lab
Just a moment. The reality—according to the numbers that I have seen—is that that proportion has risen to only 21 per cent, and there has been no progress i...
Kate Forbes SNP
I apologise that I failed to respond to Daniel Johnson’s intervention. He just cited 21 per cent, but I was going to go with 20 per cent, so it is currently ...
Daniel Johnson Lab
I would be grateful for that. I say to the Deputy First Minister that there might well be interesting phenomena and dynamics—or even initiatives—but we have ...
Jamie Greene (West Scotland) (LD) LD
I am pleased to be speaking in my eighth debate this week—it has been quite a week. I will try to stick to exports and not confuse it with any of the other t...
Kate Forbes SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Jamie Greene LD
I will be happy to, in a second. The target was to increase the value of international exports to 25 per cent of GDP by 2029. Of course, we took a hit on ex...
Kate Forbes SNP
I should have made this intervention in Daniel Johnson’s speech. We published a formal review of the export strategy in 2023. I want to clarify that, today, ...