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Meeting of the Parliament 01 April 2025

01 Apr 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Learning Disability, Autism and Neurodivergence Bill
Whitham, Elena SNP Carrick, Cumnock and Doon Valley Watch on SPTV

I, too, thank Daniel Johnson for securing the debate, which enables us to discuss the implications of not introducing a learning disability, autism and neurodivergence bill timeously and helps us to focus our collective endeavours towards immediate actions that must take place across every part of our public services, and indeed at the heart of our communities, our workplaces and society at large.

Karen Adam and others have listed many such actions that we can take. The status quo simply does not work for people with learning disabilities or neurodivergence. In turn, that means that it is not working for society as a whole, and we are all poorer because of that.

I stand here as a not formally diagnosed but self-declared middle-aged woman with ADHD. It came as quite a shock at first, when it was suggested to me by a specialist a few months ago, but, over the past few months, I have begun to understand myself through that lens better than I have ever done in my 50 years on this earth. However, my journey and my family’s journey to this time and place have been born of five years of immense struggles, tears, school avoidance, trauma and a colossal fight that seemed as if it was being fought on every front. It felt as if we were doing battle with the system and were taking on heavy casualties at every turn.

My husband and I are parents to a wonderfully unique, funny, kind and intelligent young person who is autistic and who has ADHD. When I look back, it amazes me that the world could not see early on what is so blatantly obvious now. That lack of seeing them for who they truly are, which would have enabled supports to be put in place, led us to a very dark place that involved complete school refusal and a retreat from the world at the age of 13. I cannot adequately describe the anxiety, the sleepless nights, the tears, the frustration and the palpable anger and impotence that we felt as parents.

Our child was totally failed by a system that shut them out from being able to participate fully in their own life. They are not alone. My inbox is full of families and adults crying out for support for themselves or their loved ones, whether that is the parents of a learning disabled young person on the cusp of transitioning into adult services who realise that there is little meaningful provision or opportunities on offer; parents who are in the situation that we were in of battling to have their young person’s needs assessed and acted on while trying to keep their own heads above water; or adults who, like me, realise that they are neurodivergent but find that waiting lists for assessment are either closed completely or require a co-occurring severe and enduring mental health condition—potentially giving rise to such a severe mental health condition, substance use or binge eating. I could go on and on.

None of that is in any way acceptable. However, the vast amount of work that had been undertaken on the LDAN bill gave me huge hope that the system could finally be made to change so that people with learning disabilities or neurodivergence or who are autistic—or, indeed, people who have a combination of all those issues—could live their best authentic lives. I was devastated when the bill was not included in the programme for government and when a commissioner role was not to be created.

I agree with Autism Scotland, Aberlour and others that creating a new commissioner would be a key driver for change and would ensure accountability through an independent role, with statutory powers and duties, that would champion the rights of all people with learning disabilities, autism or neurodivergence. It would be their role to challenge Governments, councils and employers and to drive the change that is required for rights to be respected, protected and fulfilled.

Imagine a Scotland where there is no disability employment gap. We have heard about how devastating that gap is. Such a change is not one that can be overseen by a single minister, a single committee, a Parliament, a council chamber or a sector. This is a multisystemic failure that requires a whole-system, whole-community and whole-family approach.

The human cost of the status quo is horrific, but it also has a cost to the public purse. We have a lot of good policies, but the implementation gap persists, along with the clear local accountability gap. That must change. [Applause.]

17:27  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The final item of business is a members’ business debate on motion S6M-16644, in the name of Daniel Johnson, on the learning disabilities, autism and neurodi...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
I thank those members who signed my motion to enable the debate to happen. It is a very important debate, because it is difficult to overstate the level of f...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Before we move to the open debate, I advise members that the debate is heavily oversubscribed, which will come as a surprise to nobody. I will therefore requ...
Karen Adam (Banffshire and Buchan Coast) (SNP) SNP
I congratulate my colleague Daniel Johnson on securing this members’ business debate, and I thank him for his continued openness on this issue. I, too, feel ...
Alexander Burnett (Aberdeenshire West) (Con) Con
I thank Daniel Johnson for bringing the debate to the chamber. Even during my campaign to be elected back in 2016, it was clear that more support was needed...
Jackie Baillie (Dumbarton) (Lab) Lab
I commend my colleague Daniel Johnson for securing this members’ business debate, and I thank him and Karen Adam for their openness in talking about their ne...
Elena Whitham (Carrick, Cumnock and Doon Valley) (SNP) SNP
I, too, thank Daniel Johnson for securing the debate, which enables us to discuss the implications of not introducing a learning disability, autism and neuro...
Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I thank Daniel Johnson for bringing the debate to the chamber and for sharing his personal experience, because that really does matter. I also thank organisa...
Paul O’Kane (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
My friend Pam Duncan-Glancy is making a very compelling case. Does she agree that, in addition to the learning disability health checks, issues such as the “...
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
I thank the member for that intervention, and I whole-heartedly agree that people with learning disabilities and others will absolutely feel entirely failed....
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green
Michael has spent more than 15 years in hospital. He is autistic with a severe learning disability. He finds routine comforting, and unexpected changes cause...
Pam Gosal (West Scotland) (Con) Con
I, too, thank Daniel Johnson for bringing this very important issue to the chamber. I am pleased to speak on behalf of the Scottish Conservatives on this sub...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Before I call the next speaker in the open debate, I am minded, given the number of colleagues who still wish to participate, to accept a motion without noti...
Carol Mochan (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I thank Daniel Johnson for bringing this important debate to the chamber. In working with other members across the parties, he has been a real champion in th...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I call Stephanie Callaghan, who joins us remotely. I gather that we are having slight issues with Ms Callaghan’s camera, so I will go first to Stephen Kerr,...
Stephen Kerr (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
Daniel Johnson gave a powerful and compelling speech, and a number of other members have given similarly compelling speeches. To be frank, it is to the shame...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Thank you, Mr Kerr. I now call Stephanie Callaghan. We might still have issues with the visuals, but I hope that the audio is functioning. After that, we wil...
Stephanie Callaghan (Uddingston and Bellshill) (SNP) SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I wish that you had a better photograph of me on the screen, but we will let that pass. Again, I thank Daniel Johnson for brin...
Michael Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I thank my good friend Daniel Johnson for bringing the debate to light. Reflecting ahead of it, I was conscious of the great range of my work as an MSP that...
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I thank my friend and colleague Daniel Johnson for continuing to shine a light on this issue. The fact that we need to continue to shine that light should br...
The Minister for Social Care, Mental Wellbeing and Sport (Maree Todd) SNP
I am grateful to Daniel Johnson for lodging the motion and allowing us the opportunity to discuss an important topic. I am also grateful to the other members...
Daniel Johnson Lab
The minister has corrected the motion, but can I just correct her? We are talking about ASN specialist teachers. Will she acknowledge that the number of spec...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I can give you the time back, minister.
Maree Todd SNP
As many of the people with whom we have engaged on the LDAN bill are well aware, we are continuing to make progress on the bill. As I have said, we will publ...
Daniel Johnson Lab
The minister is talking about steps that the Government is taking to improve services, but the services in question have been entirely withdrawn in a number ...
Maree Todd SNP
My officials have reached out to all the health board areas that have made such decisions. As I understand it, a process of redesign is under way, because th...
Michael Marra Lab
Will the minister give way?
Maree Todd SNP
I am sorry, but I really would like to progress. I have a number of issues that I want to get round to, including some of the issues that Mr Marra raised. W...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Briefly, minister.
Maree Todd SNP
Health checks, which are being delivered to thousands of people, are already yielding positive results in identifying unmet health needs and supporting acces...