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Meeting of the Parliament 26 March 2025

26 Mar 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1
Mountain, Edward Con Highlands and Islands Watch on SPTV

That is not entirely true. Some of the people who opposed part 1 were people who manage land holdings across Scotland, whether in the private or public sector.

Whether stakeholders were supportive of further land reform or not, there was consensus that the bill as drafted risks not delivering on its aims. There was a clear fear that the proposed changes would be burdensome and bureaucratic without delivering any real benefit.

On the detail of the bill, the committee is supportive of the provision to allow Scottish ministers to create community engagement obligations. However, only a majority of the committee think that the land size threshold for community engagement obligations—which is 3,000 hectares for mainland estates—is too high. The committee is not agreed on the appropriate thresholds for landholdings to allow the bill’s obligations to kick in. However, we agree that, when they are adopted, those thresholds must be kept under review by the Government.

One community engagement obligation that is set out in the bill is for large estates to produce land management plans. The committee is supportive of such plans, as they could create an accessible one-stop shop for information about large parcels of land, which would improve transparency about estate ownership and use. That provision in part 1 gained clear support, but we heard pleas not to allow it to become a box-ticking exercise with a long list of things to say in those plans, which could remove the local and distinct tailored elements that are required to make the plans truly useful documents.

We also heard concerns about the potential cost to estates of producing plans. However, it is difficult to assess those concerns fully when the details of the obligations for what will be set out in the plans will not be set out until later, in regulations. The committee was not in a position to assess the unknown. That is why our report recommends that there should be additional parliamentary scrutiny of regulations that set out community obligations.

The committee supports the principle of extending communities’ right to buy land. However, the changes in section 2 are unlikely to accomplish much on their own. A wider review of the community right to buy is under way, and we are disappointed that it was not completed before the bill was introduced. It would have been much more useful to consider the matter in the round.

We support giving Scottish ministers the ability to determine that large landholdings should be sold in lots. However, the basis on which such decisions would be made is unclear. We recommend that the transfer test in the bill be reconsidered to make it clear that the public interest will at least be at the heart of lotting decisions. We also recommend that guidance be produced to provide more clarity about the circumstances in which Scottish ministers would or would not expect to make lotting decisions. We are broadly supportive of the new role of land and communities commissioner.

Turning to part 2 of the bill, I note that the most significant changes in that part relate to agricultural tenancies. The starting point for those changes is a consensus that the tenanted sector is in long-term decline and that things need to change. Taken together, the changes in the bill could be said to rebalance the landlord and tenant relationship by giving more rights to tenant farmers. However, some stakeholders thought that those changes would make owners even more loth to offer tenancies in the first place. We are deeply concerned about the risk of a further decrease in agricultural tenancies, so we have recommended broader consideration of how to actively encourage the leasing of land for agriculture.

Although we support most of the individual provisions in part 2, we recommend that the Scottish Government considers how best to proceed with the provisions on resumption. Resumption is when the landlord takes back part of the tenancy. The methodology for compensating that, as proposed in the bill, has faced significant criticism. The view is that it perhaps rebalances compensation too far in favour of the tenant.

We need to clarify the meaning of “sustainable and regenerative agriculture”. That is a central feature of many of the changes in part 2, but it is as yet undefined. This is a familiar discussion for those who have been involved with the Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Act 2024. That act requires a code of practice to be created, which would provide meaning to the term.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-16892, in the name of Mairi Gougeon, on the Land Reform (Scotland) Bill at stage 1. 15:20
The Cabinet Secretary for Rural Affairs, Land Reform and Islands (Mairi Gougeon) SNP
I think that today is a good day. Spring is upon us, and it is a time of renewed hope and optimism. It is on that note that I am proud to open today’s debate...
Douglas Lumsden (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
The majority of people who gave evidence to the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee were of the opinion that the bill would not realise the aims that ha...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Always speak through the chair.
Mairi Gougeon SNP
I thank Douglas Lumsden for raising that point. I listened very carefully to the evidence that the committee received and to those concerns. There was broad ...
Douglas Lumsden Con
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Rachael Hamilton (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con) Con
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
Mairi Gougeon SNP
I will give way to Rachael Hamilton, as I have already taken an intervention from Douglas Lumsden.
Rachael Hamilton Con
Does the cabinet secretary believe that there could be a conflict of interest, given that Scottish ministers have to be answerable to decisions made on land ...
Mairi Gougeon SNP
The member raises an important point. I recognise that the Scottish Government is a significant landowner in Scotland, but I do not believe that there is suc...
Mercedes Villalba (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Does the cabinet secretary recognise that, provided that their bank balance is big enough, there is currently nothing to stop someone from buying up all of S...
Mairi Gougeon SNP
I thank Mercedes Villalba for raising that point. There are all sorts of issues in relation to that, but I believe that our proposals, which the committee ha...
Fergus Ewing (Inverness and Nairn) (SNP) SNP
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Mairi Gougeon SNP
I am sorry, but I have to make progress. We have to recognise that reform must be carried out in a way that is fair to all parties, is supported by evidence...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Edward Mountain to speak on behalf of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee. 15:31
Edward Mountain (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I am pleased to speak in this debate on behalf of the Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee. In accordance with parliamentary rules, I will make a full d...
Mercedes Villalba Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Edward Mountain Con
I will if I have time, Presiding Officer.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
There is time, but it is very limited.
Mercedes Villalba Lab
Is it fair to say that those who opposed part 1 tended to be representatives of those who own large amounts of land in Scotland?
Edward Mountain Con
That is not entirely true. Some of the people who opposed part 1 were people who manage land holdings across Scotland, whether in the private or public secto...
Fergus Ewing SNP
Will Edward Mountain give way briefly?
Edward Mountain Con
I think that I am short of time, but I would like to give way.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
There is a limited bit of time in hand.
Fergus Ewing SNP
The bill proposes legal measures that would, I gather, be applied retrospectively. Is the committee at all concerned that that might contravene the European ...
Edward Mountain Con
I think that the committee was more concerned that constantly changing agricultural tenancies retrospectively could cause problems for the letting of land in...
Tim Eagle (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I remind members of my entry in the register of members’ interests, which states that I am a small farmer. I also have a couple of short limited duration ten...
Mairi Gougeon SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Tim Eagle Con
Go for it.
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Although it was not lacking in courtesy, I note that that language was a bit relaxed.