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Meeting of the Parliament 26 June 2025

26 Jun 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Glasgow’s Bus Services
Doris, Bob SNP Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn Watch on SPTV

I thank Patrick Harvie for bringing this important motion to the chamber.

For the substantial Scottish Government investment that we make in Scotland’s bus services, we should be getting a far better city bus service in Glasgow. That is clear. Fares are too high and services are too sparse, particularly in the evenings, on Saturdays and—absolutely—on Sundays. Some places are bus deserts on a Sunday. However, we can do better. We need strategic investment in bus services. I believe that a franchising model, under powers given to local authorities and transport organisations from the Scottish Government, would do better. In Glasgow, that means co-ordination by SPT.

What are the issues in Glasgow? Ruchill, in my constituency, barely has a service running through it. The 90 service is thin gruel, quite frankly. The 8 is a valued service but does not exist from Springburn on a Sunday, and it is far reduced at nights and weekends as it runs through Summerston.

There is also the lack of a bus service through Kelvindale. I pick that example because it shows managed decline by bus companies. A few years ago, when First Glasgow decided to take out the Kelvindale part of the 4A service, which went from, I think, Broomhill through the west end and onwards through the city centre, Kelvindale was left without a bus service. Through the intervention of myself and others, SPT stepped in and the M4 service was put in place instead. Although it is far inferior, it is something. We championed that as a win, although it is not really a win—it is just that the situation is not as bad as it otherwise would have been.

Recently, I met First Glasgow to try to get it to reinstate a service through Kelvindale. It pointed out that running that service would not be economically viable—well, of course it is not. We have to look at the end-to-end journey in its entirety. If we break up a route into its component parts, no bus service will be economically viable, but it requires investment as a public service. That is what franchising and co-ordination are all about.

We have to accept that it will cost money. We need to ensure that there is a common purpose in the Parliament, because there needs to be the collective political will to make that investment. We are talking about Glasgow and the greater Glasgow area, but there also needs to be political will across the country. Colleagues elsewhere in the country may not champion the up to £80 million per year that the changes could cost. Let us be realistic about it: we do not have that money right now, but we have to find it.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
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Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
It is usual to begin a members’ business debate by thanking those who have chosen to stay late for it, and I have a double reason to thank those who have cho...
Clare Haughey (Rutherglen) (SNP) SNP
I thank Patrick Harvie for bringing this debate to the chamber. It has proved to be timely for residents in my Rutherglen constituency. At its heart, this de...
Paul Sweeney (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
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Clare Haughey SNP
I will come on to that point later in my speech, but the long and the short of it is yes, I do. Yesterday, I met First Bus to relay my and my constituents’ ...
Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I start by apologising to Patrick Harvie for not attending the debate in person. I did my very best, but I simply could not make my diary work.
Patrick Harvie Green
Made a request to intervene.
Graham Simpson Con
I think that Patrick is trying to intervene. If that is the case, I am happy to allow him to do so.
Patrick Harvie Green
I am grateful to Graham Simpson. I apologise to him. I was not aware that he was joining us online when I made my comment about parties being represented in ...
Graham Simpson Con
That is very nice of Patrick to say. He is right. We have worked together on the issue for a long time. There has been cross-party agreement on the subject, ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Thank you, Mr Simpson. 17:05
Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I thank my colleague, Patrick Harvie, for bringing this important debate to the chamber. I also thank the Deputy Presiding Officer for agreeing that I may le...
Clare Haughey SNP
On that very point, the decision is—as the member will have heard in my speech—very much a hot topic. Is she aware of SPT having consulted with South Lanarks...
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
It is my understanding that there is no requirement for SPT to do so, which means that we could be left with a situation in which there is no public accounta...
Patrick Harvie Green
Will Pam Duncan-Glancy take an intervention?
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I can give you the time back, Ms Duncan-Glancy.
Patrick Harvie Green
Pam Duncan-Glancy makes an extremely important point. I assume that she would agree that the experience of disabled travellers in Manchester shows that genui...
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
I whole-heartedly agree with that point. From my own experience and that of other disabled people I have spoken to, I know that bus travel in Manchester is f...
Bob Doris SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
I will be happy to take Bob Doris’s intervention if I have time, Presiding Officer.
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I call Bob Doris.
Bob Doris SNP
I thank you for your indulgence, Presiding Officer. Pam-Duncan Glancy makes a really important point. As a dad who uses bus services, I have often felt tha...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Always speak through the chair.
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
I have been in awkward situations—as I am sure that the member, or anyone who has a wheelchair or a buggy will have been. I find it regrettable that anyone h...
Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green) Green
I thank my colleague Patrick Harvie for securing the debate. For many years, he has been a relentless champion for people in Glasgow, including bus users. It...
Bob Doris (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP) SNP
I thank Patrick Harvie for bringing this important motion to the chamber. For the substantial Scottish Government investment that we make in Scotland’s bus...
Patrick Harvie Green
Mr Doris makes some important points. I again make the case that the other changes that we need to make in the transport system for climate purposes, such as...
Bob Doris SNP
I agree with that. I cannot expand on the point, because I have only four minutes and my time is lapsing, but we have to reach to that point first, and we ha...
Paul Sweeney (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
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The Minister for Agriculture and Connectivity (Jim Fairlie) SNP
How many cars were on the road then, and how many cars are on the road now?