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Meeting of the Parliament 26 June 2025

26 Jun 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Border Security, Asylum and Immigration Bill
Chapman, Maggie Green North East Scotland Watch on SPTV

Absolutely. I thank Paul Sweeney for raising that. Let us remember that many trafficked victims are forced into criminal activity and, by virtue of being trafficked, they are much more likely to have a criminal record.

Section 29 of the 2023 act makes it more difficult for such victims to come forward and seek help, which could force them further underground, where they could continue to be exploited, could be re-trafficked or worse. We know that, when trafficked victims are removed from the UK, they face a high risk of being re-trafficked and could end up in exactly the same situation.

I am grateful to the Scottish Refugee Council for its meticulous work on the ramifications of the bill. I really wish that we could repeal the entire Illegal Migration Act 2023—one day soon, I hope that we will.

I note that Stephen Kerr seems not to like the fact that the right to seek asylum is enshrined in article 14 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and elaborated on in the 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees—it is clear that his party does not like human rights for many people at all. However, there are few, if any, so-called legal routes to get to the UK for refugees and asylum seekers from parts of the world that continue to suffer the consequences of imperialism, uneven development and climate breakdown. I wonder how some people justify the differential treatment that the UK has shown to Ukrainians compared to Yemenis or Palestinians.

If people really want to stop the boats, let us arrange safe and secure routes and crossings for asylum seekers, as we should do under our international and moral obligations. I am proud to be in a party that believes that we should welcome refugees and asylum seekers and that we should offer them the dignity of safety and sanctuary. That is our duty.

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In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-18076, in the name of Kaukab Stewart, on the legislative consent motion for the Border Security, Asylum a...
The Minister for Equalities (Kaukab Stewart) SNP
I open this debate on the Border Security, Asylum and Immigration Bill at a time of growing global instability. That instability can result in people having ...
Stephen Kerr (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
Before us today is a legislative consent motion for a bill that epitomises a weak response from a weak Government. Is there a policy area that Keir Starmer h...
Bob Doris (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP) SNP
I wonder whether Stephen Kerr could say what the legal routes to seek refuge in the UK are.
Stephen Kerr Con
These are people who are leaving the safety of France and putting their lives in the hands of ruthless human traffickers. That is what we have to stop. Peopl...
Martin Whitfield (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
It is always a pleasure to follow Stephen Kerr, even when his oration—we might call it a salad of linguistic excitement—on the bill that is ploughing its way...
Paul Sweeney (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Will Martin Whitfield take an intervention?
Martin Whitfield Lab
Yes.
Paul Sweeney Lab
I thank my friend for giving way. He makes a salient point about the misbelief that, if someone is to claim asylum, they are obligated to claim it in the fir...
Martin Whitfield Lab
I will pick up on one of the phrases that the member used in that intervention—the “human story”. We are talking about human beings and their travel and the ...
Stephen Kerr Con
I hope that Martin Whitfield, who is a realist, will recognise that the vast majority of the people on the dinghies are young men. They are, in a sense, almo...
Martin Whitfield Lab
I am not going to make categorical assumptions about what groups of people choose this route—
Stephen Kerr Con
Oh!
Martin Whitfield Lab
If the member will be patient—Interruption. I am conscious of time; I apologise, Presiding Officer. I am not going to make sweeping assumptions about group...
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green
The Scottish Greens will support the LCM at decision time. However, I want to get the following comments, which relate to clause 38 of the Border Security, ...
Paul Sweeney Lab
That is a really important point, as is shown by a case in my constituency in 2018. Duc Nguyen was trafficked from Vietnam and forced to work in conditions o...
Maggie Chapman Green
Absolutely. I thank Paul Sweeney for raising that. Let us remember that many trafficked victims are forced into criminal activity and, by virtue of being tra...
Kaukab Stewart SNP
I thank colleagues for their thoughtful and considered contributions to the debate, although the speeches have been varied and possibly a little polarised, w...