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Meeting of the Parliament 26 June 2025

26 Jun 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Gull Control
Carson, Finlay Con Galloway and West Dumfries Watch on SPTV

Their relentless and noisy squawking and aggressive behaviour have made them a nuisance across Scotland. No, I am not referring to the nationalists—on this final sitting day before summer recess, I hope that, for once, we can part on the best of terms; I am talking about the growing scourge of gulls, particularly in my constituency of Galloway and West Dumfries, where those wild flappers seem to rule the roost and, frankly, appear to revel in the misery that they cause in communities such as Kirkcudbright, Stranraer and Dumfries.

I thank my Conservative colleague Douglas Ross for securing the debate. The issue is long overdue serious attention.

We have heard the stories of elderly residents being attacked outside their homes and children being left bloodied by swooping gulls. This is no longer about just a sensational headline; it is a growing public safety risk that is spreading far beyond our coastal towns and into urban centres across Scotland.

These birds are no longer confined to our beaches. They are now snatching fish and chips, hamburgers and even crisps from outside shop fronts. They have adapted to urban life and are thriving on it. As researchers such as Helen Wilson at Durham University have pointed out, this is about not necessarily rising gull numbers but shifting behaviour. Urban environments now offer more reliable food sources and fewer natural predators. With changes in fishing practices, more violent winter storms and warming seas, gulls are abandoning their traditional habitats and heading inland.

Although gulls may be adapting, our system for managing them is not. NatureScot’s current approach to licensing is simply not fit for purpose. I say that not just as a constituency MSP but because I echo the serious concerns that Scottish Land & Estates raised in its recent briefing. SLE members, who are among the primary applicants for a species control licence, have reported a litany of issues with NatureScot’s licensing regime, including unrealistic demands for evidence of species impact, excessive delays in processing applications, a narrow and insufficient list of species that are eligible for control, licensing officers making decisions beyond their remit and a lack of understanding of the practicalities of wildlife management.

I will give one example. In the south of Scotland, an estate was told that it could not control ravens near a site of special scientific interest due to potential disturbance to breeding waders. Instead, it was advised to use gas guns and bangers. That method would have caused far more disruption than a single moderated shot. The approach is not logical, and it is counterproductive.

In another case, NatureScot unlawfully advised an increase in raven control under a livestock protection licence, when the actual concern was the protection of ground-nesting birds. In implementing the new grouse-shooting licensing scheme, it misinterpreted the Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Act 2024 and unlawfully requested estate boundary licences. Later, it was forced to backtrack. That was not a one-off. There is a pattern of poor decision making that is actively undermining land managers’ ability to protect people, livestock and biodiversity.

In my constituency, councillors spend upwards of £85,000 a year on trying to manage gulls—money that could be far better spent if the licensing system worked. NatureScot insists that the lethal control method should be a last resort but, when non-lethal methods fail, as they often do, communities are left without any viable options. The result is growing frustration, rising costs and a real risk to public safety. In Dumfries, residents have even raised a petition to demand action.

Businesses are being targeted and people are being harassed, yet the licensing process remains slow, opaque and overly restrictive. We need a system that works, is easy to access, proportionate and risk based, is grounded in practical understanding and, above all, is responsive to the needs of each and every community.

Licences should be easy to obtain when there is clear evidence of harm. They should be difficult to lose unless misused and they should be rationally connected to a licensable purpose, not bogged down in bureaucratic overreach. This is not about demonising wildlife or gulls. It is about restoring balance; protecting people, property and public health; and ensuring that our licensing bodies are equipped and willing to act on public safety. The status quo is not working and, if we do not act now, the consequences could be far more serious than a stolen sandwich.

13:04  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
I ask those who are leaving the public gallery to do so as quickly and quietly as possible as we move to the next item of business, which is a members’ busin...
Douglas Ross (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
The people who are leaving the public gallery do not know what they are missing, because I am sure that this will be an excellent debate on gulls. A timefram...
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
I will address the language that is used about gulls in my speech.
Douglas Ross Con
I did not hear that properly. I will give way to Christine Grahame again if she wants to repeat what she said.
Christine Grahame SNP
I do not agree with those terms, and I will address them in a short defence—a cautious defence—of the common gull.
Douglas Ross Con
Christine Grahame is perfectly able to do that, but I strongly disagree. They are a menace. My constituent in Hopeman who was on the radio today used the phr...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Given the interest in this subject, it is likely that we will need to extend the debate, but I am conscious that afternoon business starts at 2 o’clock, so I...
Emma Roddick (Highlands and Islands) (SNP) SNP
I thank Douglas Ross for bringing the debate to the chamber. It is good to have the opportunity to explore what more can be done to deal with local seagull i...
Finlay Carson (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con) Con
Their relentless and noisy squawking and aggressive behaviour have made them a nuisance across Scotland. No, I am not referring to the nationalists—on this f...
Rhoda Grant (Highlands and Islands) (Lab) Lab
I thank Douglas Ross for securing the debate. I pay tribute to the work of Councillors Sandy Keith and John Divers in Moray, who for many years have been wre...
Douglas Ross Con
We need to hear more from the Government on the crucial issue of approval of licences. Does Rhoda Grant agree that, in many cases where NatureScot rejects ap...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Ms Grant, I can give you the time back for the intervention.
Rhoda Grant Lab
Thank you, Presiding Officer. I absolutely agree with Douglas Ross’s point. The same constituent of mine who wrote to NatureScot was told to approach local g...
Mark Ruskell (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Green) Green
I thank Douglas Ross for lodging the motion for debate. I certainly acknowledge that there are areas where we need more effective management and consideratio...
Fergus Ewing (Inverness and Nairn) (Ind) Ind
It has just been stated that the populations of herring gulls and urban black gulls—the two main species—have declined, but there is no evidence for that. In...
Mark Ruskell Green
I ask Mr Ewing to speak to NatureScot and those who are monitoring our bird populations across Scotland. The fact that herring gulls are on the red list of p...
Craig Hoy (South Scotland) (Con) Con
As we prepare to take flight, I congratulate Douglas Ross on bringing forward this important debate. As colleagues across the chamber have referenced, the me...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I advise members that we are very tight for time. I will have to restrict later speakers to three minutes, as well as extending the debate. 13:18
Fergus Ewing (Inverness and Nairn) (Ind) Ind
I thank Douglas Ross for securing the motion for debate and for the joint working that we have done, and the Minister for Agriculture and Connectivity for hi...
Brian Whittle (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I thank my colleague Douglas Ross for bringing the debate to the chamber. I listened to the interaction between Douglas Ross and Christine Grahame about ter...
Christine Grahame SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Brian Whittle Con
Of course I will give way to Christine Grahame.
Christine Grahame SNP
“Dive-bombing” is a description of an action. Terms such as “menace” apply a characteristic.
Brian Whittle Con
It is a very apt description of what gulls have been doing for years. I acknowledge that a balance must be struck between managing nuisance birds and managi...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Due to the number of members who still wish to speak in the debate, I am minded to accept a motion without notice, under rule 8.14.3, to extend the debate by...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I call Beatrice Wishart, to be followed by Liam Kerr. You have up to three minutes, Ms Wishart. 13:26
Beatrice Wishart (Shetland Islands) (LD) LD
Sorry—I missed what you said, Presiding Officer. Did you say three or four minutes?
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Three minutes.
Beatrice Wishart LD
Three minutes. Okay. I thank Douglas Ross for bringing the debate to the chamber this afternoon. As the motion states, gulls can be a problem and even dang...
Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I am delighted that Douglas Ross lodged this motion. Since being elected in 2016, I, too, have been inundated with concerns from constituents about screechin...