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Meeting of the Parliament 25 June 2025

25 Jun 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Education (Scotland) Bill

I want to go back to human rights. Articles 28 and 29 of the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child give our young people the right to an education and indicate what that education should cover. In a sense, I am following on from the previous speech by talking about what our young people are feeling and what they are experiencing. I note, with the greatest respect to the youngest and the oldest members of the Parliament, that the reality is that the school experiences that children and young people are having at the moment are so different from the school experiences that we had. Likening our experience to theirs does them a disservice.

The debate allows me the opportunity to mention a report by the Children and Young People’s Commissioner Scotland called “This is our lives, it matters a lot.” A lot of the quotes in it relate specifically to the challenges that examination poses. The commissioner’s concluding assessment states:

“The pressure, anxiety, and stress that exams are placing on children and young people is not only reducing their ability to access their right to education ... but also affecting their right to the highest attainable standard of health ... This has been long recognised, including during the National Conversation on Education in 2023.”

I raise those points because of where we are. We are discussing the Education (Scotland) Bill, which provided the one opportunity during this parliamentary session to make a difference. It could have made a difference to the children who are coming to the end of their first year at school, to the children who are looking at this summer holiday as the step before they start school, to those who are transitioning to high school and to those who are transitioning from the end of their broad general education and moving into whatever assessment formula we decide to throw at them in a few years. However, there are also many children who are finishing education tomorrow or on Friday. What will they look back on? When they have their own children, will they look back at the difference that the bill made to their lives?

This is where I have a challenge with the procedures that we have undertaken during the bill’s passage. I thank the cabinet secretary for a lot of the discussion that there has been, but I humbly offer some advice: there is a difference between cross-party support that results in enough votes to get amendments agreed to and cross-chamber support, which is what Scotland wants and is clamouring for.

I raise those two points because the proposed Promise bill will be coming this way. I hope that every member in the chamber learns lessons about how the Parliament can work with the Government in relation to the way in which amendments are dealt with, the way in which assurances are given and the way in which all that can play out, as we have seen over the past two days of stage 3.

I take the opportunity to thank the cabinet secretary in relation to the amendments regarding child safety. I thank her for our discussions before stage 3 regarding the challenge that exists between our local authorities and the independent organisation that judges and monitors teachers, because we need to get that right.

I recognise that time is short, but it would be wrong for me to conclude without complimenting my newest colleague on a phenomenal first speech. He painted us something that I will leave as a challenge for everyone in the chamber: the concept of an education bus. Is the bill a simple repaint job when we had the opportunity to rebuild a vehicle that could take our children and young people into the future? Has there just been a change of steering wheel when what we needed was a navigator who knew where they wanted to go, knew why they wanted to go there and, perhaps most importantly, could take not just the Parliament but the rest of Scotland with them?

20:45  

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-18059, in the name of Jenny Gilruth, on the Education (Scotland) Bill at stage 3. I invite members who w...
The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (Jenny Gilruth) SNP
Thank you, Presiding Officer, for the opportunity to address the chamber this evening on the Education (Scotland) Bill, following our lengthy and detailed se...
Stephen Kerr (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
I agree with the cabinet secretary that the bill creates an independent chief inspector of education, but how would she describe the change from the Scottish...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I do not accept that critique from Mr Kerr. Indeed, we have spent two days of parliamentary time debating lengthy amendments that have sought to change the t...
Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
Jenny Gilruth SNP
Do I have time in hand, Presiding Officer?
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
There is not really any time in hand, cabinet secretary.
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I will give way to Ms Duncan-Glancy.
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
Does the cabinet secretary admit that the new organisation will have the same functions and the same leadership as the SQA?
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I do not accept the member’s latter point about leadership. A new chief executive will be appointed, and a new chair of the existing organisation was appoint...
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
The cabinet secretary mentioned the accreditation staff in the SQA. It is not only as a result of our deliberations, as the cabinet secretary said, that they...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
You have one minute left, cabinet secretary.
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I have in front of me a letter from Unite the Union that I quoted to Ms Duncan-Glancy during yesterday’s proceedings. It said that relocating the accreditati...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
For the avoidance of doubt, I clarify that there is no time in hand and that members should please stick to their allocated and agreed speaking times. 20:05
Miles Briggs (Lothian) (Con) Con
I thank the Parliament’s legislation team and, following these late sittings, the wider parliamentary staff, as well as Government officials and colleagues a...
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
On the member’s point about it being only a cosmetic change, we are going from a situation in which the SQA has a single chief executive to qualifications Sc...
Miles Briggs Con
Those changes will be improvements to the internal structures, and I hope that they work, which is why we have supported the amendments. However, I do not th...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I was caught on the hop there. I call Pam Duncan-Glancy to open on behalf of Scottish Labour. 20:11
Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Scotland’s young people are our greatest asset, and it is incumbent on us all to legislate to ensure that the education system delivers the greatest opportun...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I am listening to Ms Duncan-Glancy. Of course, I have read much of the position in Labour’s press release, but the Labour Party accepted 40 Government handou...
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
First, the bill will not abolish the SQA, which is exactly why we will not vote for it. Secondly, we worked with the Government to try to improve the bill be...
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
The bill was a long time coming. For me, the cabinet secretary and some others, it has been nine years in the making; for other members who have been here si...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
Earlier today, I was reading a speech by Tavish Scott from 2017, in which he made a passionate case for change, but that case was primarily about the inspect...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Thank you, Mr Rennie. We move to the open debate, with back-bench speeches of up to four minutes. 20:25
Jackie Dunbar (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP) SNP
I am pleased to stand tonight to speak in favour of the Education (Scotland) Bill. As deputy convener of the Education, Children and Young People Committee, ...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Davy Russell, who is this evening making his first speech in the Parliament. 20:29
Davy Russell (Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse) (Lab) Lab
Thank you, Presiding Officer, for giving me the opportunity to make my first speech. Being elected as the member of the Scottish Parliament for Hamilton, La...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Thank you, Mr Russell. We move to closing speeches. I call Ross Greer to close on behalf of the Scottish Greens. 20:36
Ross Greer Green
I congratulate Davy Russell on making his first speech in the chamber. I find that, nine years in, the novelty and privilege of being in the chamber have cer...
Martin Whitfield (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I want to go back to human rights. Articles 28 and 29 of the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child give our young people the right to an educa...