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Meeting of the Parliament 24 June 2025 [Draft]

24 Jun 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3

I ask members to please be patient and consider what I say carefully as I outline a number of the amendments in this group, which may take a bit of time.

The amendments in group 2 invite Parliament to address and resolve what is considered to be the bill’s central question and an important policy choice: will Scotland at last secure an independent guardian of standards in qualifications? Will the Government actually abolish the Scottish Qualifications Authority, or will there simply be a rebrand?

Separating the body that awards qualifications from the body that regulates and accredits them is fundamental, and my amendment 98 would do just that. Along with consequential amendments 179, 266, 289, 304 and 307 to 311, amendment 98 would help to ensure that the new qualifications body can begin afresh, with leadership embedded in a reformed vision and with new governance, while also being independent from the body that accredits and regulates qualifications.

That separation is critical to restoring trust in the system. Trust and confidence are central to the integrity of any education system, but that integrity has broken down—not overnight, not as a consequence of one decision or event and certainly not as a result of anything that staff in schools or parents and pupils have done, but as a result of multiple failures by the SQA. The starkest failure was during the pandemic, when the then Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills, John Swinney, downgraded the exam results of the poorest pupils.

Young people are our greatest asset in Scotland. We owe it to them to create the best possible environment for them so that they can thrive. Experts have told us what that means and what it looks like. It means a new curriculum agency in which teachers and subject specialists can work in networks, together, to develop world-leading resources for a world-leading curriculum, supported by a Government that shows leadership and direction, but at arm’s length.

Colleagues will recall that every review that has been placed before us—the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development study and Professor Muir’s report—as well as the evidence to the Education, Children and Young People Committee at stage 1 made the same diagnosis: the curriculum, accreditation and improvement functions are dispersed across too many bodies that do not always communicate and are not coherent.

Setting up a new body such as curriculum Scotland—a single, arm’s-length organisation that would steer what is taught, guarantee the standard of the certificates that flow from that teaching and drive the continuous improvement of both—is the remedy for that. As a reformed Education Scotland that would become independent of Government, it would deliver opportunity for all, support a broad curriculum, empower teachers to design and deliver that curriculum and embed coherence in the system.

Young people would be supported to learn, driven by their interests, aspirations and what employers need, not by assessment, as often happens now. Curriculum Scotland as a body could support that and broaden the offer on school-based qualifications so that vocational, academic and technical pathways are delivered, valued, assessed and recognised. That is why leaving the accreditation function in the qualifications body is not a palatable option.

The proposal in the amendments to move accreditation to a new body—whether to curriculum Scotland or another body—would help to deliver both scrutiny and parity of esteem. Currently, school-based qualifications—

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is stage 3 proceedings on the Education (Scotland) Bill. In dealing with the amendments, members should have the bill as amended at...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Group 1 is on support needs. Amendment 1, in the name of Miles Briggs, is grouped with amendments 5, 165 to 168, 321, 248, 249 and 76.
Miles Briggs (Lothian) (Con) Con
In the interests of brevity, I will try to speed up my comments during the rest of the afternoon. I was pleased to lodge this suite of amendments following ...
Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
First, let me say a huge thank you to the legislation team, who have been working day and night to support members across the chamber with the amendments tha...
The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (Jenny Gilruth) SNP
I thank Mr Briggs and Ms Duncan-Glancy for setting out their amendments. I put on the record my sincere thanks to Scottish Government officials in the legisl...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I call Miles Briggs to wind up and say whether he wishes to press or withdraw amendment 1.
Miles Briggs Con
I have nothing further to add, and I press the amendment. Amendment 1 agreed to. Section 4—The accreditation function
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Group 2 is on accreditation and quality assurance of qualifications. Amendment 98, in the name of Pam Duncan-Glancy, is grouped with amendments 125, 147, 154...
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
I ask members to please be patient and consider what I say carefully as I outline a number of the amendments in this group, which may take a bit of time. Th...
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
Will the member take an intervention?
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
I am happy to take Ross Greer’s intervention.
Ross Greer Green
Would the member join me in recognising the difference between accreditation and quality assurance? Simply moving the current accreditation function to any o...
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
Mr Greer is quite right in relation to higher history, but he did not point out that, although the SQA does not accredit or regulate our school qualification...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
We debated the issue at length at stage 2. I remind Pam Duncan-Glancy of correspondence that the committee and I received from Unite the Union, which represe...
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
I thank the cabinet secretary for that intervention, which I was prepared for. The cabinet secretary knows full well that the members of Unite in the Scottis...
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
Did the cabinet secretary wish to make an intervention?
Jenny Gilruth SNP
For the record, I was not laughing at the content of Ms Duncan-Glancy’s contribution.
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
I thank the cabinet secretary for that clarification. I am pleased that she will listen to and take seriously what is being said. The Education, Children an...
The Cabinet Secretary for Finance and Local Government (Shona Robison) SNP
Did I mishear? I thought that I had just heard Pam Duncan-Glancy talk about making good law today. She and her party are voting against the bill, are they not?
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
I thank the cabinet secretary—
Martin Whitfield (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Will my colleague take an intervention?
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
I will.
Martin Whitfield Lab
I am very grateful—Interruption. I suggest that my colleague has articulated clearly the reason for her conclusion in the summation of her contribution. Had—
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Resume your seat, Mr Whitfield. This will be a long afternoon and evening. It will be even longer if we do not listen to the member who has the floor, who, ...
Martin Whitfield Lab
I am very grateful, Deputy Presiding Officer. I shudder at your premonition of how today might go. Had members listened to my colleague’s submission, they w...
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
I thank the member for that intervention—I enjoy the unity that we have across Scottish Labour, which is not something that we always see across the Governme...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Before calling the next speaker, I want members to reflect on the fact that discussions took place with business managers and members with key amendments abo...
Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
I fully respect Pam Duncan-Glancy, but I must disagree with her this afternoon. The fact that she has presented a number of options shows that there is still...
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
I hugely respect the member and it pains me to have to disagree with his direction of travel here. The reason why there are options is not that we have not c...
Willie Rennie LD
The process has been constructive. It is a good example of how committees can work well together. We have come to an issue that is not central to the reform...