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Meeting of the Parliament 19 June 2025

19 Jun 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
National Advisory Council on Women and Girls Equality Recommendations

I welcome the opportunity to debate an issue that is close to me and many of my fellow female MSPs across the chamber. Equality between men and women, and boys and girls, should be one of the driving objectives of this Parliament. We need equality in schools, in the workplace, in healthcare and in the economy. Failure to deliver that does not just fail Scotland’s females, who account for more than half the population; it also results in a number of missed opportunities for growth, progress and innovation.

Although I welcome the debate, it should also be noted that women across Scotland are becoming fed up with so much talk being matched by so little action. Females may well appreciate MSPs taking the time to debate in the chamber or to set up focus groups or round-table discussions, but we are also aware that, while the talking continues, things on the ground move backwards. The National Advisory Council on Women and Girls made a number of recommendations designed to reduce gender inequality. Ministers recognise that tackling such inequality is key to a fairer Scotland and that

“Women are central to all Government priorities”.—[Official Report, 12 March 2025; c 30.]

However, in real life, many measures are only getting worse.

Perhaps the most brutal measure of all is the rate of domestic violence in Scotland. Cases are rising, and police now receive a report of domestic abuse in Scotland pretty much every 10 minutes. Women may not be the victim in every one of those cases, but we know for sure that they are the victim in the overwhelming majority and that the attacker is almost always a man and always a partner or a former partner.

It is patently unfair that someone, just because of their sex at birth, is on a pathway that makes them considerably more likely to be a victim of violence, abuse, intimidation, bullying or coercion. Domestic violence is rife in this country and, until we turn the tide, we can never truly claim that things are even close to being equal. Even seeking justice is often out of the reach for too many women. One survivor, who lives in the Highlands, contacted 116 solicitors listed on the Scottish Legal Aid Board’s website and still could not find help with divorce proceedings—that is not an isolated incident.

Gender inequality can be seen throughout the generations. Despite performing better in school, learning faster and behaving better, girls are less likely to go on to have well-paying, successful careers than their male contemporaries. In 2024, our gender pay gap widened. There are many reasons for that, but we cannot blame it all on childcare and the fact that women are more likely to be carers of their children and their elderly relatives. Attitudes need to change in the classroom and in the boardroom. We need more flexibility and more incentives and support for women who want to push up their career ladder in the same way as men.

Despite living longer, women experience poorer outcomes for a range of health issues. Conditions that are unique to women, such as endometriosis and cervical cancer, are not well understood, treated or tested for. We also have the issue of gender recognition. Given the Supreme Court ruling and a clear update from the EHRC, the Scottish Government’s failure to implement is, at the very best, a stalling tactic. Will the minister tell us, in her closing remarks, why public bodies are not complying with the law now?

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-18016, in the name of Shirley-Anne Somerville, on progressing the National Advisory Council on Women and ...
The Cabinet Secretary for Social Justice (Shirley-Anne Somerville) SNP
Today, the Scottish Government published its first annual statement following recommendations from the National Advisory Council on Women and Girls. The stat...
Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I have a question on the point about the women’s health plan. Does the cabinet secretary agree that the situation for disabled women in Glasgow who seek to a...
Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
I thank Pam Duncan-Glancy for that comment. She points—probably not for the first time today—to a discussion that is exceptionally important, which is about ...
Meghan Gallacher (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
On the point of childcare, there are councils across the country that are not allowing eligible two and three-year-olds to access the 1,140 hours of free fun...
Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
We have to look in general at ensuring that there is sufficient, good-quality provision that is available flexibly in a way that aligns with what parents nee...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
Liberal Democrats are very supportive of the work that the Government is outlining today. The cabinet secretary mentioned the strategy that is to be forthcom...
Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
The member has raised an exceptionally important point. As I look around the chamber, I see that it is mostly women who are here, as is often the case when w...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I advise members that we have a bit of time in hand, so they will certainly get the time back for interventions. 15:20
Tess White (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I welcome today’s debate. It is so important to shine a light on what women and girls in Scotland are experiencing today. There is a mismatch—the Scottish Na...
Rona Mackay (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP) SNP
I am struggling to understand what path you are going down. What you are talking about is not in the report that we are supposed to be debating.
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Speak through the chair.
Tess White Con
Ms Mackay might like to listen to my speech—if she does, she will find out. Meanwhile, the SNP’s proposed misogyny bill is just the latest in a litany of pa...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
For the sake of clarity, it is up to the chair to determine whether noise in the chamber is contravening the rules on courtesy and respect. I discourage conv...
Katy Clark (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I am pleased to open the debate on behalf of Scottish Labour. We, of course, welcome any and all action to improve the position of women and girls in society...
Tess White Con
Will Katy Clark take an intervention?
Katy Clark Lab
I am just about to conclude, so I am not sure whether it would be appropriate, but I am happy to take an intervention.
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
You can certainly get the time back.
Tess White Con
Does Katy Clark think that it is appropriate and proportionate for a male who has committed non-fatal strangulation and systemic abuse against his partner to...
Katy Clark Lab
I would not want to comment on a specific case, and I do not know the specific case that Tess White refers to. More generally, we must ensure that the dispos...
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green
I am grateful to the cabinet secretary for securing the debate. As she has outlined, gender equality and the empowerment of women and girls is one of the sus...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
I am pleased to speak on behalf of the Scottish Liberal Democrats but I am ashamed that, as the cabinet secretary rightly pointed out, I am one of only four ...
Meghan Gallacher Con
Alex Cole-Hamilton is talking about issues in relation to women’s health, but what about young women’s health? We know that young women, particularly those f...
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
Meghan Gallacher makes an excellent point. It is incumbent on us all, in debates such as this one, to remind young women in particular of the health interven...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
We now move to the open debate. 15:43
Rona Mackay (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP) SNP
I am pleased to be speaking in this important debate to highlight the key findings in the report of the National Advisory Council on Women and Girls and on t...
Sharon Dowey (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I welcome the opportunity to debate an issue that is close to me and many of my fellow female MSPs across the chamber. Equality between men and women, and bo...
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
Sharon Dowey says that the EHRC has given clear guidance following the Supreme Court judgment. She must not have seen the select committee’s evidence hearing...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Sharon Dowey, I can give you the time back.
Sharon Dowey Con
I think that the EHRC ruling was quite clear, and I do not think that there is any way that we need to wait for the guidance to come out. I would like to kno...