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Meeting of the Parliament 19 June 2025

19 Jun 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
National Advisory Council on Women and Girls Equality Recommendations
White, Tess Con North East Scotland Watch on SPTV

I welcome today’s debate. It is so important to shine a light on what women and girls in Scotland are experiencing today. There is a mismatch—the Scottish National Party Government’s aspiration in this area has not been matched by delivery. Wherever we look, from a woman’s earnings to her experience of the healthcare system, women in Scotland are too often still getting a raw deal.

The pay gap between men and women is widening. Women still experience poorer health outcomes for a range of issues. Gynaecological conditions are frequently misunderstood and misdiagnosed, and too many women are still not believed. Too many women are stuck on waiting lists for breast reconstruction and gynaecological services. Women are still more likely to live in poverty. Childcare is often inaccessible and unaffordable for working parents. The number of domestic abuse incidents is rising in Scotland, but the justice system is stacked against traumatised women, who cannot even find a legal aid solicitor to take their case.

The SNP Government says that it has strengthened the law in relation to violence against women and girls, but it keeps playing for time on making non-fatal strangulation a stand-alone crime. Fiona Drouet is having to take a civil case against her daughter’s strangler and abuser, who was given community service after her daughter took her own life due to what he did to her. How is that justice?

The document that we are debating today feels more like an SNP public relations exercise than a genuine, well-intentioned attempt to grapple with the systemic challenges that hold women back. It does not grasp the basics, either, such as protecting the rights and dignity of women and girls. The irony of the SNP Government publishing a statement on gender policy coherence is not lost on the women who have been fighting for years to protect their sex-based rights from the SNP’s thoroughly incoherent policies on sex and gender.

What timing, when human rights charity Sex Matters wrote to the SNP Government this week to warn of legal action within 14 days if it keeps failing to comply with the UK Supreme Court’s ruling on biological sex. In today’s call to MSPs, the EHRC again made it clear that the law must be followed now. How can John Swinney claim that protecting the rights of women has been one of his top priorities when his Government continues to unlawfully deny women and girls their dignity and privacy in changing rooms and toilets?

That is the reality across Scotland’s captured public bodies. The public sector equality duty is not working. The SNP Government is repeatedly dragging its feet on implementing the Supreme Court’s ruling, and its moral cowardice means that men can still access women’s single-sex spaces.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-18016, in the name of Shirley-Anne Somerville, on progressing the National Advisory Council on Women and ...
The Cabinet Secretary for Social Justice (Shirley-Anne Somerville) SNP
Today, the Scottish Government published its first annual statement following recommendations from the National Advisory Council on Women and Girls. The stat...
Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I have a question on the point about the women’s health plan. Does the cabinet secretary agree that the situation for disabled women in Glasgow who seek to a...
Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
I thank Pam Duncan-Glancy for that comment. She points—probably not for the first time today—to a discussion that is exceptionally important, which is about ...
Meghan Gallacher (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
On the point of childcare, there are councils across the country that are not allowing eligible two and three-year-olds to access the 1,140 hours of free fun...
Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
We have to look in general at ensuring that there is sufficient, good-quality provision that is available flexibly in a way that aligns with what parents nee...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
Liberal Democrats are very supportive of the work that the Government is outlining today. The cabinet secretary mentioned the strategy that is to be forthcom...
Shirley-Anne Somerville SNP
The member has raised an exceptionally important point. As I look around the chamber, I see that it is mostly women who are here, as is often the case when w...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I advise members that we have a bit of time in hand, so they will certainly get the time back for interventions. 15:20
Tess White (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I welcome today’s debate. It is so important to shine a light on what women and girls in Scotland are experiencing today. There is a mismatch—the Scottish Na...
Rona Mackay (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP) SNP
I am struggling to understand what path you are going down. What you are talking about is not in the report that we are supposed to be debating.
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Speak through the chair.
Tess White Con
Ms Mackay might like to listen to my speech—if she does, she will find out. Meanwhile, the SNP’s proposed misogyny bill is just the latest in a litany of pa...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
For the sake of clarity, it is up to the chair to determine whether noise in the chamber is contravening the rules on courtesy and respect. I discourage conv...
Katy Clark (West Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I am pleased to open the debate on behalf of Scottish Labour. We, of course, welcome any and all action to improve the position of women and girls in society...
Tess White Con
Will Katy Clark take an intervention?
Katy Clark Lab
I am just about to conclude, so I am not sure whether it would be appropriate, but I am happy to take an intervention.
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
You can certainly get the time back.
Tess White Con
Does Katy Clark think that it is appropriate and proportionate for a male who has committed non-fatal strangulation and systemic abuse against his partner to...
Katy Clark Lab
I would not want to comment on a specific case, and I do not know the specific case that Tess White refers to. More generally, we must ensure that the dispos...
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green
I am grateful to the cabinet secretary for securing the debate. As she has outlined, gender equality and the empowerment of women and girls is one of the sus...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
I am pleased to speak on behalf of the Scottish Liberal Democrats but I am ashamed that, as the cabinet secretary rightly pointed out, I am one of only four ...
Meghan Gallacher Con
Alex Cole-Hamilton is talking about issues in relation to women’s health, but what about young women’s health? We know that young women, particularly those f...
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
Meghan Gallacher makes an excellent point. It is incumbent on us all, in debates such as this one, to remind young women in particular of the health interven...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
We now move to the open debate. 15:43
Rona Mackay (Strathkelvin and Bearsden) (SNP) SNP
I am pleased to be speaking in this important debate to highlight the key findings in the report of the National Advisory Council on Women and Girls and on t...
Sharon Dowey (South Scotland) (Con) Con
I welcome the opportunity to debate an issue that is close to me and many of my fellow female MSPs across the chamber. Equality between men and women, and bo...
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
Sharon Dowey says that the EHRC has given clear guidance following the Supreme Court judgment. She must not have seen the select committee’s evidence hearing...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Sharon Dowey, I can give you the time back.
Sharon Dowey Con
I think that the EHRC ruling was quite clear, and I do not think that there is any way that we need to wait for the guidance to come out. I would like to kno...