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Meeting of the Parliament 19 June 2025

19 Jun 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body Question Time
Parliament Facilities (Interim Policy)

I will make two points. First, it is important to state that the corporate body is not a committee of the Parliament. In committees of the Parliament and in the parliamentary chamber, politicians are able to debate the rights and wrongs of any ruling that is made by the Supreme Court or any other organisation. However, the corporate body is an executive body with legal responsibilities and the personal liability of the members who sit on it. Even though we are politicians, our job is not to debate the politics of an issue, but to ensure that we are implementing the law as the law is communicated to us.

Having said that, we recognise that the interim stance to fulfil those legal responsibilities is a change. Let me acknowledge on behalf of the SPCB that, for some, that has proved both upsetting and a cause for anxiety and concern for their own wellbeing. With that in mind, managers were asked to immediately engage with their teams to discuss the interim stance, identify any concerns about its impact and support individuals who might be personally affected. It is an on-going process, and our commitment to the wider wellbeing of our staff is embedded in a number of our policies and our management approach.

I understand that the SPCB’s response to the Supreme Court ruling has been discussed at recent partnership group meetings, and I am sure that trade union side colleagues will continue to use that forum to raise anything further that they consider would be appropriate for the SPCB to do to support its staff.

This morning, the corporate body signed off the next phase of work looking at how to improve inclusivity for all those with protected characteristics working at and visiting Holyrood. We will engage Holyrood passholders and external organisations representing those with specific protected characteristics as part of that work. That will inform any further changes and will take account of the Equality and Human Rights Commission statutory code, once it is finalised later this year.

In the same item of business

2. Patrick Harvie (Glasgow) (Green) Green
To ask the Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body what responses have been received from LGBTQ+ staff or organisations that it has consulted with, or been con...
Jackson Carlaw (Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body) Con
The corporate body has received correspondence from five organisations and individuals since it implemented its interim stance on facilities at Holyrood to f...
Patrick Harvie Green
In previous discussions in the chamber and in a letter to me, the corporate body has said that it has been and remains committed to providing an inclusive en...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Can we get to the question, Mr Harvie? You are well over your allotted time.
Patrick Harvie Green
Yes, indeed. Given that the corporate body is now well aware that it has not achieved its intention of an inclusive workplace, surely it is time for it to ...
Jackson Carlaw Con
I will make two points. First, it is important to state that the corporate body is not a committee of the Parliament. In committees of the Parliament and in ...
Carol Mochan (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I thank Jackson Carlaw for his clarity in responding to the original question. It might be helpful for us to understand why the SPCB took the decision to int...
Jackson Carlaw Con
As I said a moment ago, notwithstanding the fact that we are politicians who are elected by the chamber to represent the interests of Parliament and colleagu...
Pam Gosal (West Scotland) (Con) Con
Let us be clear—we are talking about the United Kingdom Supreme Court. The law is the law, and nobody is above it. This morning, the EHRC was on a call to MS...
Jackson Carlaw Con
How other organisations respond is up to them, but it is the responsibility of the corporate body to implement the law and the advice that we receive. That i...
Mercedes Villalba (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I apologise to you, Presiding Officer, and to everybody present for my unacceptable lateness. Following the SPCB’s announcement regarding the interim positi...
Jackson Carlaw Con
Our obligation was to implement the ruling, based on the legal advice that we received. As I said, we have today signed off the next phase of consultation by...
Alexander Burnett (Aberdeenshire West) (Con) Con
It feels as though some members are seeking to turn the Parliament’s management board into a university debating society—unfortunately, that is par for the c...
Jackson Carlaw Con
That is the responsibility of the corporate body. As I said, there are committees and a chamber in which the political issues around such judgments can be de...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
That concludes Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body question time. Before we move to the next item of business, there will be a short pause to allow front-b...