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Meeting of the Parliament 17 June 2025

17 Jun 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Scottish Languages Bill: Stage 3
Forbes, Kate SNP Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch Watch on SPTV

That is a very fair point. One criticism that has been made is that there is a lot of duplication and overlap. If we believe in grass-roots community work, we know that it should start with the community. We will take that into account, and I am happy to express my desire to consult extensively with relevant bodies and other members on the substance of the guidance.

I recognise the importance of local authority support at every level, but, as I have said, amendment 65 creates a measure of overlap.

I want to come back to Pam Duncan-Glancy’s question about what we are doing if we are not supporting her amendments 13 to 16. I mentioned that we have concerns about the mandatory implementation of areas of linguistic significance without details on which areas the duty applies to. At the moment, census data, which goes to output areas, is the main source of data when it comes to knowing whether obligations to people with Gaelic skills are being met.

Two backstops strengthen the approach that we have taken to how an area can determine its plan: a local authority can designate if an area falls under certain descriptions, which we have covered, and, if the local authority does not proceed, Bòrd na Gàidhlig can request that the local authority consider making a designation. If Bòrd na Gàidhlig makes such a request, it can do so on the evidence of demand for designation from those who reside in the authority’s area. Essentially, a referral from the community who are unhappy that a designation has not proceeded goes to Bòrd na Gàidhlig, which can request that the local authority make the designation. If the authority does not submit a proposed designation, the local authority must publicise the decision and the reasons for making it. The authority has to publish up front the reasons why it is not proceeding.

A third backstop is that, if a local authority does not submit a proposed designation, the Scottish ministers may require it to reconsider the decision. A local authority must submit a proposed designation or confirm its original decision and notify ministers of the reasons for it.

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As part of the debate on whether the duty should be obligatory, rather than the bill including the word “may”, I consulted Western Isles Council, Highland Council and Argyll and Bute Council in particular to get their views on the matter. There was a range of views, but they were all keen on proceeding at pace with designation, although they all expressed to me that they have very different geographical and demographic spreads. For example, in Argyll and Bute, it would not be obvious to designate an entire ward, because there are multiple islands in one ward, so it would make more sense for the designated area to cover an island rather than a ward. In relation to Highland Council, as I have referenced, Skye would be an obvious contender, and each part of the Western Isles could, arguably, be designated. There was certainly an appetite in that regard from all local authorities.

If Pam Duncan-Glancy’s primary concern is about the pace at which the provisions will be implemented—which is my primary concern—I heard reassurance from local authorities that they want to move at pace, but they stress the importance of there being an iterative process, with engagement with the community, to ensure that the size of the area matches what the community wants. As we are all aware, if we proceed with a designation that does not work for the community because the area is the wrong size—either too big or too small—that might create more challenges.

I hugely respect the work that Pam Duncan-Glancy has done, and I share her sentiment, but I am struck by the operational challenges in implementing what she has set out.

Presiding Officer, you will be delighted to know that that concludes my comments.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Annabelle Ewing) SNP
The next item of business is stage 3 proceedings on the Scottish Languages Bill. In dealing with the amendments, members should have the bill as amended at s...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
Group 1 is on areas of linguistic significance. Amendment 13, in the name of Pam Duncan-Glancy, is grouped with amendments 14 to 18, 1, 2, 19 to 23 and 65.
Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I will speak to amendments 13 to 16, 1 and 2, all in my name. Amendments 13 to 16 relate to the process by which areas will be designated as areas of linguis...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Emma Roddick to speak to amendment 17 and other amendments in the group.
Emma Roddick (Highlands and Islands) (SNP) SNP
Tapadh leibh, Oifigeir Riaghlaidh. The bill makes provision for local authorities to designate areas of linguistic significance. Those will be areas in which...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Ross Greer to speak to amendment 65 and other amendments in the group.
Ross Greer (West Scotland) (Green) Green
Feasgar math. Amendment 65 would require local authorities to develop local Gaelic plans for the designated areas of linguistic significance, in consultation...
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Economy and Gaelic (Kate Forbes) SNP
Although this group will take slightly longer to deal with, and my remarks will therefore be longer than for the other groups, it is appropriate that we star...
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
Will the Deputy First Minister set out which part of amendment 13 is unclear? My understanding is that it is quite clear. It creates a specific definition ab...
Kate Forbes SNP
I thank the member for that question, because it is a helpful cue from which to proceed. The requirement in the amendment does not specify the size or the t...
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
I am not sure that I entirely agree about the confusion, given that, on the most important part of the change, the bill already says that an “area may be des...
Kate Forbes SNP
Yes, but the fact that the amendment says “must” and would therefore create a mandatory obligation to designate an area would lead to huge questions about wh...
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
Made a request to intervene.
Kate Forbes SNP
I appreciate that the member disagrees with that and that she wants to intervene again. I am very happy to take that intervention.
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
What process does the Deputy First Minister think there is for people who believe that their area should be designated? If the legislation says only that an ...
Kate Forbes SNP
As the member will know, we will consider a number of amendments today that will strengthen the provisions, and I will come on to those. Having heard loud an...
Ross Greer Green
I am grateful to the cabinet secretary for offering points of reassurance around the guidance. Will she address my specific concern that there is a requireme...
Kate Forbes SNP
That is a very fair point. One criticism that has been made is that there is a lot of duplication and overlap. If we believe in grass-roots community work, w...
The Deputy Presiding Officer SNP
I call Pam Duncan-Glancy to wind up and to press or seek to withdraw amendment 13.
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
I have listened carefully to the Deputy First Minister’s comments. She highlighted three specific backstops in the bill, but I would argue that those backsto...
The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The question is, that amendment 13 be agreed to. Are we agreed? Members: No.
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
There will be a division. There will be a suspension to allow members to log in to the digital voting system. 16:03 Meeting suspended. 16:10 On resuming—
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
We move to the vote on amendment 13. Members should cast their votes now. The vote is closed.
Richard Leonard (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. My system would not connect in time. If it had, I would have voted yes.
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Thank you, Mr Leonard. I will make sure that that is recorded.
Lorna Slater (Lothian) (Green) Green
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. My apologies. My system was not updating. I would have voted no.
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Thank you, Ms Slater. I will ensure that that is recorded.
Foysol Choudhury (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. I am having some issues with my app. I am not sure whether my vote registered.
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I can assure you that your vote was recorded, Mr Choudhury.
Foysol Choudhury Lab
Thank you.