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Meeting of the Parliament 12 June 2025

12 Jun 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Migration

I am grateful for the opportunity to speak in the debate, and I am also grateful for the tone that has been fostered by those on all sides of the chamber thus far. My remarks begin in large part where Michael Marra’s began: I, too, am a product of immigration. My mother came here in the 1960s to undertake an English degree and never left. Perhaps that is not an advert for immigration on some sides of the chamber, but I am proud of it nonetheless.

All of us, whether we are in this Parliament or in Westminster, have a responsibility to speak up, clearly and confidently, in defence of the many benefits that immigration brings to our society. Too often, our political discourse shrinks from that responsibility and retreats in the face of rising hostility and negative press, instead of standing firm on what we know to be true.

Immigration is a fundamental part of Scotland’s story. It has shaped who we are and it continues to shape who we will become—from Irish immigrants in the 17th century to those from Italy and Poland during the industrial revolution and after the second world war; from those who came to us from India, Pakistan and Uganda in the 1960s and 1970s to those fleeing war in Ukraine today, who have found refuge and such welcome and new beginnings in Scottish homes the length and breadth of our community. Each wave of immigration has enriched our culture. It has strengthened our economy and contributed to a more diverse, dynamic and successful society, bringing new languages, traditions and ideas that are now woven into the fabric of Scotland. It has created jobs, filled vital gaps in our workforce and brought fresh perspectives, drive and innovation.

These are not strangers; they are our neighbours. They are our colleagues, our friends, our lovers and our families. They are us. However, instead of valuing that, the aftermath of years of mismanagement by the previous Government in Westminster has left the UK’s immigration system in tatters. Public trust has been eroded. The issue is the battle line of our political discourse, and that is deeply regrettable.

Brexit only made things worse. When the UK voted by a slim majority to leave the European Union, ties that matter deeply to Scotland and to all of these islands were broken. We lost freedom of movement and, with it, easy access to the people who kept our national health service going, worked in our care homes, picked our crops and powered our businesses.

Only today, I stood outside the Parliament alongside social care workers campaigning for fair pay and conditions. Scotland’s care sector depends hugely on overseas workers. In fact, it relies on them—they are its backbone. Imposing thousands of pounds’ worth of fees will only make the crisis worse and push more providers to the brink. That is why my Liberal Democrat colleagues at Westminster are calling for punitive Home Office visa fees, which were introduced by the previous Government, to be scrapped for care workers and NHS staff. The last thing that we need is more of a barrier to those who seek to come here to work in health and social care. We need a flexible migration system that meets the specific needs of each part of the United Kingdom and works closely with the devolved Administrations. That is the best way to ensure that Scotland’s economy is bolstered with the workforce that it needs.

I am pleased that the UK Labour Government is finally considering a youth mobility scheme with the European Union. My party was the first to call for such a scheme. Young people already have the chance to use similar schemes in many countries across the globe, so there is no reason at all why we should not expand such access to our European neighbours. It will offer amazing opportunities for generations to come.

Let us be clear: the issue is not only about giving people the freedom to travel and experience life across Europe, although that in itself is valuable and powerful. A properly designed youth mobility scheme would be a huge win for our economy. The Centre for European Reform has said that a youth mobility scheme could add nearly 0.5 per cent to our gross domestic product in the longer term, while analysts at the House of Commons library who were commissioned by the Lib Dems suggest that such growth could add roughly £5 billion to the Exchequer each year. That could mean that there would be about £5 billion of additional tax revenue each year in the long run. The 0.45 per cent figure was arrived at in a Centre for European Reform study on the economic impact of a youth mobility scheme between the UK and the EU.

Our hospitality and tourism sectors, our farms, our construction sites and our start-ups all need flexible and energetic workers. Local economies benefit when young people come here to work, to live and to spend. Such a scheme would be a two-way street, as young Scots would be able to access the same opportunities across the continent.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-17906, in the name of Kate Forbes, on a migration system that works for Scotland. I invite members who wi...
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Economy and Gaelic (Kate Forbes) SNP
Scotland’s economic history is deeply intertwined with migration and emigration. Famines, industrialisation, the growth of cities, lowland and highland clear...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
The Deputy First Minister is absolutely right to focus on how we maximise people’s participation in the workforce. Has there been any analysis of why economi...
Kate Forbes SNP
It is an excellent question. The figures fluctuate considerably from month to month, and I am tracking them very closely. There are a number of elements to t...
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I do not need to remind the cabinet secretary of how important the rural depopulation issue is within all of this. That is not just a matter of migration pol...
Kate Forbes SNP
I absolutely agree. The National Records of Scotland, among others, forecasts double-digit reductions in population, particularly across coastal and island c...
Emma Harper (South Scotland) (SNP) SNP
Regarding the rural pilot schemes for visas, 48 per cent of Scotland’s dairy herd is in the south-west of Scotland, and a lot of the cows are milked by perso...
Kate Forbes SNP
I do, and anecdotes like that could be replicated in many different parts of Scotland. Employers frequently put it to me that migration is an area where they...
Liz Smith (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I greatly welcome the Deputy First Minister’s tone, because, as we all know, far too often, migration debates are highly contentious and framed by economic, ...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
I also welcome Liz Smith’s tone in the debate, and I recognise what she said at the outset about racism and misinformation about the facts of immigration. Do...
Liz Smith Con
Yes, I absolutely recognise that. The media is partly responsible for some of that divisiveness. I come back to the Deputy First Minister’s point about homo...
Daniel Johnson Lab
Will the member take an intervention?
Liz Smith Con
Will I get a little time back?
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Yes.
Daniel Johnson Lab
Liz Smith is making a really interesting contribution about some of the nuances in the labour market. Is there also a broader, global context, in which world...
Liz Smith Con
That is a very good point from Mr Johnson. I think that he is right that there is a global context to the issue, which is important. When I was elected to t...
Kate Forbes SNP
Liz Smith talked about this being a UK-wide issue. First, although I agree that it is a sectoral issue rather than a uniquely Scottish one, we always come to...
Liz Smith Con
That is a fair point to make. There is a broader picture about how well we can navigate not only a global situation but the situation in the UK. Although I h...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I call Michael Marra to speak to and move amendment S6M-17906.2. 15:44
Michael Marra (North East Scotland) (Lab) Lab
As we have heard, Scotland has long been—and remains—a welcoming country to people who want to settle here, to join our community, to enjoy this beautiful co...
Jeremy Balfour (Lothian) (Con) Con
I am grateful to Michael Marra for taking my intervention. One of my concerns with the white paper from his colleagues in London is that it does not recognis...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I will give you the time back, Michael Marra.
Michael Marra Lab
I thank Jeremy Balfour for his intervention. I understand that he has personal experience of care, as he has often set out in the chamber. It is a very relev...
Michael Marra Lab
I would appreciate it if I could make some progress, Deputy First Minister. By contrast, on the economic side, the Scottish National Party is propping up a ...
Christine Grahame (Midlothian South, Tweeddale and Lauderdale) (SNP) SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Michael Marra Lab
I do not have the time, Ms Grahame—apologies. However, the Scottish Government has not even managed to train enough workers to meet the current demand. Ins...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I advise members that we have a little bit of time in hand. If members take interventions, they will certainly get the time back. 15:50
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green
I am pleased to contribute to the debate, not only to support the motion but to speak to a principle that must guide us in everything that we do: every perso...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
I am grateful for the opportunity to speak in the debate, and I am also grateful for the tone that has been fostered by those on all sides of the chamber thu...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
We move to the open debate. 16:00