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Meeting of the Parliament 12 June 2025

12 Jun 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Fornethy Survivors

Presiding Officer,

“Trust is sacred. Our trust was broken as little girls—and now, trust in the system that’s supposed to help us and do right by us has been shattered.”

Those are the words of the Fornethy survivors. Some of those brave women are with us in the public gallery today. Hundreds more have shared their story.

For those who are unfamiliar with that story, those women, along with thousands of others, were sent to Fornethy as vulnerable wee girls between the 1960s and early 1990s. Fornethy was a sprawling 16th-century mansion in the Angus countryside, secluded and surrounded by woodland. It was one of the small number of schools run by Glasgow Corporation, later Strathclyde Regional Council, under its scheme of residential education for disadvantaged children.

Most of those girls stayed for four to eight weeks, sometimes more than once. Some were as young as five years old. They were sent away to somewhere new and exciting—a place to rest and recuperate. One survivor said:

“I remember getting on a bus with a suitcase. I was going on holiday for the first time. I recall the door opening and seeing a huge staircase. I was so happy and excited”.

However, that excitement quickly turned to fear. Rather than rest and recuperation, many of those wee girls were subjected to appalling abuse. My constituent, Marion Reid from Carluke is one of those women. She said:

“I travelled in a black cab to Fornethy from Riddrie, where I lived at the time. I was taken in through the big arch door, and as soon as that door closed, my nightmare began—six weeks of hell I’ve carried with me all of my life.”

Those wee girls’ hell was concealed, covered up and kept from parents. The children were made to write “nice” letters home, copied word for word from a blackboard. One survivor said:

“On leaving that dark place, my older sister was asked to tell my mum what a good girl I’d been. My five-year-old mind could only feel horror that this was how good girls were treated”.

I have listened to these testimonies. Some shared stories that they have never shared with their own families. Today, I wanted to bring those stories to Parliament to give a voice to those brave women, but I recognise that we must respect the on-going criminal and civil proceedings. My focus today will therefore be on the failures of Glasgow City Council and the Scottish Government to show that same respect to those women.

They have been campaigning for five and a half years against those failures, and they are still waiting for a full and meaningful apology. They are still waiting even for a meeting with Glasgow City Council. They are still waiting for access to the redress scheme. They are still waiting for answers about why the abuse at Fornethy went unchecked for so many years.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a members’ business debate on motion S6M-15136, in the name of Colin Smyth, on justice for the Fornethy survivors. The debate wi...
Colin Smyth (South Scotland) (Lab) Lab
Presiding Officer, “Trust is sacred. Our trust was broken as little girls—and now, trust in the system that’s supposed to help us and do right by us has bee...
Alex Cole-Hamilton (Edinburgh Western) (LD) LD
Will Colin Smyth take an intervention?
Colin Smyth Lab
I am happy to take an intervention.
Alex Cole-Hamilton LD
I am grateful to Colin Smyth for giving way—particularly because, regrettably, I am required to attend the First Minister’s emergency summit on youth violenc...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I can give you the time back for that intervention, Mr Smyth.
Colin Smyth Lab
I thank Alex Cole-Hamilton for the support that he has given to the Fornethy survivors, including on that visit with the women to Fornethy, which was an incr...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I will just give a gentle reminder to those in the public gallery that this is a meeting happening in public rather than a public meeting, so I discourage th...
Fergus Ewing (Inverness and Nairn) (SNP) SNP
I warmly congratulate Colin Smyth on his dogged pursuit of this issue and on the speech that he gave today, which is one of the finest that we have heard in ...
Maurice Golden (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
I thank Colin Smyth for bringing forward the debate. It is not the first time that he has done so, and that is to his great credit, because he has been a lon...
Foysol Choudhury (Lothian) (Lab) Lab
I join members in congratulating Colin Smyth on bringing this issue to the chamber once more, and I pay tribute to him for his long-standing campaigning for ...
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green
I thank Colin Smyth for lodging his motion and securing this debate, and for his very powerful and moving opening speech. I concur with every single word. I...
Monica Lennon (Central Scotland) (Lab) Lab
I am grateful to have the opportunity to take part in the debate. I congratulate my colleague Colin Smyth and commend him for securing it and for uniting mem...
Fergus Ewing SNP
I thank Monica Lennon for taking my intervention. She is almost like an extra member of the committee, so frequent are her appearances to stand up for variou...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I can give you the time back, Ms Lennon.
Monica Lennon Lab
I am grateful to Fergus Ewing for the important points that he makes. It is not just a matter of whether it shames the Scottish Government—it shames Scotland...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
I call the Deputy First Minister, Kate Forbes, to respond to the debate. 13:23
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Economy and Gaelic (Kate Forbes) SNP
I thank Colin Smyth for lodging the motion and for his tireless work in supporting the Fornethy survivors. I give a huge welcome to the Fornethy survivors wh...
Fergus Ewing SNP
I note what the Deputy First Minister says in relation to the sub judice rule. However, the sub judice rule relates to a criminal case that is due to be hear...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Always speak through the chair.
Kate Forbes SNP
There is absolutely no hiding going on, because I am about to outline some of the actions that I took directly in response to the five actions that survivors...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
That concludes the debate. 13:32 Meeting suspended. 14:30 On resuming—