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Meeting of the Parliament 04 June 2025

04 Jun 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Empowering Entrepreneurs and Innovators
Forbes, Kate SNP Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch Watch on SPTV

I agree with Liam Kerr—and I have discussed this with Daniel Johnson in the past, too—that the rates system often does not take into account the fact that some of the most profitable businesses are the smaller ones. A start-up can be launched from a cupboard, where there are no rates, while a large and perhaps less profitable business has to pay them. I do not think that Murdo Fraser is listening to me at the moment, but I might have found a point of consensus with him—we might agree on those points. The rates system is based on an older version of the economy, in which the size of properties was linked to profitability, and that is just not the case in our new, tech-driven environment.

I see that the member has a quizzical look. I think that he agrees with my point—I was just giving him a little bit of ground there, in response to his question.

Although it is right that we celebrate successes, we acknowledge that there is more to do if we are to match the performance of our best competitors. That is why the budget made provision for a record investment of £30 million to accelerate Scotland’s emergence as a leading start-up nation, and I want to take this opportunity to highlight some of the key programmes that the funding will support.

I will begin with the implementation of “Pathways: A New Approach for Women in Entrepreneurship”, Ana Stewart and Mark Logan’s groundbreaking review of how we can support more women to start and scale businesses. Women remain significantly underrepresented in entrepreneurship; alarmingly, only 3.7 per cent of Scottish companies have an all-female founding team, and start-ups founded by women receive only 2 per cent of total investment capital. It is clear that deep-rooted societal barriers continue to limit women’s full and equal participation and “Pathways” describes that, correctly, as

“a denial of opportunity on, literally, an industrial scale.”

We have a duty to meet those challenges head on. Under the leadership of Ana Stewart, our newly appointed chief entrepreneur, we will invest up to £6 million in the report’s key recommendations, with a particular focus on pre-start support and associated early stage grant schemes. That will be a powerful package of interventions, which will create best-in-class programmes to help women start and scale businesses, offer targeted financial incentives to back the most promising ideas, and ensure that support is delivered flexibly in ways and at times that work best for them.

Our universities are another source of untapped entrepreneurial potential. They are among Scotland’s greatest national assets—hubs of innovation, creativity and enterprise. However, despite their global reputation, we have yet to unlock their full economic potential. Sweden offers a compelling example: by placing universities at the heart of its economic model and investing heavily in research and development, it now ranks second in the global innovation index and leads in generating university spin-outs.

Scotland needs to be just as ambitious. As a result, we are working closely with our universities on developing a new support package that will transform our ability to take innovative ideas from the lab bench to the business world by de-risking new technologies, accelerating commercialisation and attracting follow-on investment.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
The next item of business is a debate on motion S6M-17785, in the name of Kate Forbes, on empowering entrepreneurs and innovators. I invite members who wish ...
The Deputy First Minister and Cabinet Secretary for Economy and Gaelic (Kate Forbes) SNP
Entrepreneurs and innovators are the catalysts of growth that shape our economy. From the moment that I first entered Government, I have championed that agen...
Sharon Dowey (South Scotland) (Con) Con
Made a request to intervene.
Craig Hoy (South Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the member take an intervention?
Kate Forbes SNP
Yes—although you do not look like Sharon Dowey.
Craig Hoy Con
Do I need to change, Presiding Officer, or can I simply self-declare?
Kate Forbes SNP
I am relaxed as to whether it is Sharon Dowey or Craig Hoy who intervenes.
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
Let us go with Craig Hoy.
Craig Hoy Con
I think that we have corrected the record, but I have slightly lost my train of thought. The minister is talking about young and ambitious entrepreneurs who...
Kate Forbes SNP
Absolutely. As a representative of Scotland’s islands—which I think that Craig Hoy mentioned—I would absolutely recommend that. A number of brilliant start-u...
Daniel Johnson (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab) Lab
I agree that we should champion success but, to truly succeed, we also need to acknowledge that there are issues. The Deputy First Minister might quote those...
Kate Forbes SNP
It is precisely because we needed to confront some of the challenges four years ago that we embarked on this journey to support Scottish entrepreneurs. The f...
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Kate Forbes SNP
I will, particularly if it is to congratulate those businesses.
Murdo Fraser Con
I am very pleased to congratulate those businesses. As the cabinet secretary is talking about attracting investment, I wonder whether she will come on to tal...
Kate Forbes SNP
Intentionally or otherwise, the member is distorting the Scottish Government’s position. The Scottish Government has a long-standing position of not using pu...
Kate Forbes SNP
Just a minute. A matter of months ago, I announced £2 million of investment in the skills and training required, and we have also invested in defence compani...
Liam Kerr (North East Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Kate Forbes SNP
I love a good debate, but I would like to finish my speech, too. I will take this intervention, however.
Liam Kerr Con
I am grateful, and it will be very quick. Does the Government think that the way in which the current rates regime is structured militates against small busi...
Kate Forbes SNP
No, because of the small business bonus scheme, which remains the most generous across the United Kingdom.
Daniel Johnson Lab
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention on that point?
Kate Forbes SNP
I agree with Liam Kerr—and I have discussed this with Daniel Johnson in the past, too—that the rates system often does not take into account the fact that so...
Stephen Kerr (Central Scotland) (Con) Con
Will the cabinet secretary give way on that point?
Kate Forbes SNP
Do I have some time in hand?
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
You will get the time back, Deputy First Minister.
Stephen Kerr Con
As ever, the Deputy First Minister talks a really good game. However, when she talks about universities, does she not accept that the current funding model i...
Kate Forbes SNP
The point that I am making just now is that we have great research and development—I think that we would all accept that there is some brilliant research and...
Murdo Fraser (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con) Con
I welcome the fact that we are having another debate on the economy. We now have something of a trend of economy debates, which is a welcome departure from t...
Rachael Hamilton (Ettrick, Roxburgh and Berwickshire) (Con) Con
Last night, I was at Daniel Johnson’s sponsored event with the Confederation of British Industry. Many people were talking about the flexible workforce devel...