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Meeting of the Parliament 28 May 2025

28 May 2025 · S6 · Meeting of the Parliament
Item of business
Teaching Workforce

As I have listened to the debate, what I was planning to say has changed about three or four times, so I apologise if my speech ends up being a bit of a mishmash of everything that has been said so far.

I will start with an obvious point, which I think we all agree on: Scotland’s teachers are among the best and most hard working in the world. In places from Paisley to Peterhead, they show up every day for our young people and shape their lives. Those mentors, role models and pillars of our community deserve our heartfelt thanks.

I listened to the points that Willie Rennie made about the motion that he lodged on behalf of the Liberal Democrats, who have been newly promoted to the premier league. He made some valid observations—it was not all nonsense. The fact that I am saying that what he said was not complete and utter nonsense is an admission that my relationship with him is heading in a positive direction. He made some valid points. None of this is easy: let us not kid ourselves that there is a silver bullet or an easy way to solve the problem.

As someone who has been on the education committee in its many guises throughout his time in Parliament, I know that we need to sit down together and come up with solutions. Initially, I thought that that was what this debate was about. Mr Rennie was perhaps a bit aggressive in his delivery, but who am I to talk about that?

We talk about the geographical challenges that exist for young people who are training to be teachers. I used the phrase “from Paisley to Peterhead”. Someone who lives in Paisley is unlikely to want to go for a job in Peterhead. The cabinet secretary mentioned the possibility of future schemes to tackle that issue. We need to find a way round it. I understand why people will not move to another part of the country, away from where their family and all their support are. If they are starting a new career, they will want to have that support.

Nobody is pretending that the teaching profession does not face challenges—we all know that it does. However, I find it surprising that the Liberal Democrat motion has been framed in such a doom-and-gloom manner, to the extent that it undermines much of the good work that our teachers are doing in our communities.

In the same item of business

The Deputy Presiding Officer (Liam McArthur) LD
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Willie Rennie (North East Fife) (LD) LD
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The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
You need to conclude.
Willie Rennie LD
I appreciate that teacher workforce planning is not simple, but the Government has made the situation a whole lot worse. I move, That the Parliament acknow...
The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills (Jenny Gilruth) SNP
I thank Mr Rennie for lodging the motion for debate during Liberal Democrat time. I thought that the story that he set out at the start of his speech was dee...
Jackie Dunbar (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP) SNP
Does the cabinet secretary agree that there is also a role for other partners in workforce planning—universities, for example—to ensure that we have the righ...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I agree with the sentiments that the member has expressed. Our universities are directly involved in national workforce planning at the current time. I will...
Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
Will the cabinet secretary take an intervention?
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I say to Ms Duncan-Glancy that I am conscious of time; I have one minute left. The teacher induction scheme has served us well for many years, and I have di...
Willie Rennie LD
Will the cabinet secretary give way?
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I am happy to give way on that point, although I am conscious of time.
Willie Rennie LD
When will the cabinet secretary mention unemployed primary school teachers?
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I have five minutes for my speech and less than a minute left. I will come on to talk about that, because part of the issue is specifically about our primary...
Miles Briggs (Lothian) (Con) Con
I thank Willie Rennie and the Liberal Democrats for using their party business time to hold the debate. It is important that we highlight the pressures that ...
Pam Duncan-Glancy (Glasgow) (Lab) Lab
I thank Willie Rennie and the Scottish Liberal Democrats for bringing to Parliament this crucial motion, which we will support at decision time. Scottish Lab...
Jenny Gilruth SNP
Will the member take an intervention?
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
If the cabinet secretary is prepared to explain how she will take responsibility, I will be happy to take the intervention.
Jenny Gilruth SNP
I am here, as cabinet secretary, taking responsibility today. I gently say to the member that local authorities, not the Scottish Government, employ our teac...
Pam Duncan-Glancy Lab
The cabinet secretary cannot see that we have gaps and that we have teachers without jobs in some areas and in some subjects. Only the Government has the ove...
Maggie Chapman (North East Scotland) (Green) Green
The figure of £145 million—now £186.5 million—should be enough to move every teacher who is on a temporary contract into a permanent role and to recruit hund...
Jamie Greene (West Scotland) (LD) LD
It is hard to believe, after 17 years of the present Government, that we are having this debate. We really should not be, but here we are. Let us not beat ab...
Jackie Dunbar (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP) SNP
I want every child in Scotland to get the best possible start in life, and education is an affa big part of that best start. We have great schools and we hav...
Douglas Ross (Highlands and Islands) (Con) Con
I am grateful to the Liberal Democrats for bringing this topic to the chamber, to allow us to have another education debate. I was thinking about the last ed...
Alex Rowley (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab) Lab
We will not be able to tackle the workforce challenges in education until we tackle the massive issues in our schools, which this Government has failed to do...
The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
George Adam will be the final speaker in the open debate. You have up to four minutes, Mr Adam. 15:31
George Adam (Paisley) (SNP) SNP
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Willie Rennie LD
In making his reasonable contribution, does the member recognise that the Government has contributed to the surplus, and therefore the unemployment, of prima...
George Adam SNP
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The Deputy Presiding Officer LD
We move to the winding-up speeches. 15:36
Maggie Chapman Green
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